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Little did they realize that America thought this was awesome. Cringey but awesome.

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Ah yes, the power to… defend against attacks from other nations. Such evil.

For anyone who isn’t aware, there are no provisions in the NATO charter for cooperative offensive actions. None. NATO is not a military alliance, it is a defensive pact only.

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Well we don’t live in a video game so we can use NATO to attack, like with Libya. It’s our alliance, we’ll do what we want!

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Yeah but arent you gonna attack me when I defensively invade some sovereign country?!!

Checkmate

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Defending the middle east against people who own the oil 😎

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I’m mostly pro NATO but that is litteraly the worst single argument possible anyone ever made. Here’s a one word answer that totally shred its credibility: Lybia.

It’s only for defense until we decide to invade a country… but anyway, the real strength of NATO as a weapon is political influence. It allows the US to impose their security objectives to all the other members, and currently their main competitor is China and that was transcribed into NATO’s official strategy in 2022 with the stated objective to expend into the Indian and Pacific ocean specifically to counter them.

Can’t really expect them to like it.

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Less of this serious posting, and more shitposting folks.

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Lybia is not a NATO thing. UK, France and USA bombed some ships and ports in Libya, but I still remember the headlines and news that Germany didn’t want anything to do with that.

So it was a coordinated action between some members of NATO on their own.

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Technically the UN Security Council, including China, asked them to do it, as a NATO operation. NATO just doesn’t have the power (or need) to force compliance from all members.

Why was NATO was willing to intervene in Libya and not other conflicts directly related to their reason for existing? Different question.

(It’s oil. Sweet, delicious and calorie dense oil…)

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NATO doesn’t need Germany to approve anything for something to be a NATO operation.

The operation was conceived by french/UK and was handed over to NATO as a condition for Italian participation.

Here:

NATO’s North Atlantic Council (NAC) in Brussels, Belgium exercised overall political direction of OUP, while Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium, carried out NAC decisions with military implementations through Joint Force Command (JFC) Naples.

Lieutenant General Charles Bouchard was the overall operational commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Unified Protector. Under his leadership, NATO Maritime Command Naples directed naval operations in support of OUP. Although NATO’s Air Command Headquarters for Southern Europe, in Izmir, Turkey (AC Izmir) managed air operations, the air campaign itself was conducted from NATO’s Combined Air Operations Centre Poggio Renatico in Italy. For this reason, major elements of AC Izmir were moved during the course of the OUP.

Italian Vice Admiral Rinaldo Veri from NATO Maritime Command Naples led the maritime arms embargo, while Rear Admiral Filippo Maria Foffi served as the Task Force Commander at sea.

I’m not a secret.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_71652.htm

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Ah yes, Darth Vader, known for how unpopular and unlikable he is.

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… I don’t think you’re supposed to like Darth Vader in the way you’re implying.

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How can we be sure that isn’t Liberia?

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It’s got one star. Doubtless one of Liberia:

Chile

…or Texas.

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Or possibly Puerto Rico

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The empire was always a depiction of the USA.

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Now that you mention it I wonder if Lucas made sure to only buy American ship models for making the Star Destroyers and Death Star?

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