A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
This is extra layers of stupid. Grand Jurors aren’t made up of random jurors. These people have a job doing this. They are paid to make these decisions.
I mean, I don’t expect a MAGA terrorist to know the difference, but if they really don’t want a state to have the ability to prosecute crimes, I won’t feel bad when they complain about that.
Not sure how it works in Georgia, but that’s not true in NY, in fact grand jurors are more random, there’s no selection process, just a random lottery
Completely normal behavior for peaceful supporters of a law-abiding citizen. Who wouldn’t do some friendly doxxing to support their absolutely innocent leader.
Just another reason why jury systems are stupid
No idea what that guys beef is, but I’ve served on a jury for a nasty kidnapping case.
If I’m ever on the wrong side of a court room, the last thing I want is a jury of fucking bigoted idiots deciding anything.
Though, I’m in exactly zero “minority” groups per se, so perhaps I’d be alright anyway. That’s a whole other problem with justice though.
He’s not really wrong. We’re too biased, uneducated and ignorant to be able to accurately determine guilt. Until the populace is re-educated, it probably would b better to have panels of experts determine guilt, or only allow jurors that have at least obtained a bachelor’s degree in something. I am certain such suggestions are flawed, but not as badly as the system we have now that flagrantly enabled racism and genocide.
You don’t need a degree to be able to make an ethical or moral judgment wtf? With money being a major roadblock for education you’d be taking the voices away from a lot of good people whose only mistake is being born too close to the poverty line. That’s the exact opposite direction that anything should go in right now lol.
Who would even pick those “panel experts”? Local votes? Local government? Because that’s all been pretty shit so far on most fronts and feels like different means to the same end.
I don’t know what the solution is but I do know that it’s not gonna be any method that inevitably excludes and ostracizes people from participating in part of our legal system based on their income because that is absolutely what it boils down to. If anything I’d say a good direction might be to take cases from small communities that are more likely to hold a bias, consolidate them all under a more unified court system, and go with video court or something so there can be a properly neutral jury that truly has no skin in the game. I’m sure even that has its own major issues that I’m overlooking but at least it doesn’t separate people by financial status
I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable. I don’t understand why the names weren’t reacted.
As I understand this is the law of the state, it would’ve been illegal to not make the names public. The reasoning is based on transparency – secret jurors would make for less trust.
There’s all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don’t even think about buying a house if there’s someone you don’t want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!
They’re left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems
In that case our government has failed to do this. Who owns your mortgage? It was repackaged into a mortgage backed security with thousands of owners. Who owns that commercial property that has been sitting idle for thirty years? Owned by nested shell companies.
Another reason why mortgaged backed securities should be criminalized.
🤔 Is it possible for an abuse victim to buy a house through an LLC to avoid that problem? How does that work for real estate businesses?
It is actually! I have a friend who’s dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for pricacy’s sake. I’m sure it would work for less crazy reasons as well
Unfortunately, while you’re citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.
Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.
I can’t quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it’s hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we’d live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone’s gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.
And don’t even think about buying a house
Well that is a problem that is fading away.
Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.
Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?
Do you in GA whether grand jurors are professionals or pulled in for random jury duty?
It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.
Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn’t loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?
You know what… GOOD.
Not that I want to see it, but time and time and time and time again these right wing fucks have proven that they can’t be reasoned with, they can’t be trusted and they have zero morals or plans to follow societal norms… AND YET WE CONTINUE TO TREAT THEM LIKE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
We have been asking for shit like this to happen every time we give a J6th traitor a light sentence or every time Trump or one of his clown supporters tweets some fairly obvious call for violence and we do nothing.
When the fuck is the Left going to wake up and realize that we are at war?
The Right has seen this as a war for a long, long time now. They have been stockpiling weapons, creating closely tied groups and training militias. They are radicalizing the youth. They see this as a life-and-death situation where there will be victims and bloodshed.
What the fuck has the Left done? Written a few memes? A few snarky comments on Twitter? They have treated this as a joke or just business-as-usual when dealing with politics. We give the other side every chance to bully their way into a position of power by constantly compromising on things. And when it comes to punishments, the usual bleeding-heart stereotype comes into play and we give these traitors the lightest of sentences when instead they should be facing the same kind of corporal punishment that they would face in any other country for treason.
The US can not afford to be divided like this right now, but what the hell can you guys do. Fucked situtation, I feel you
what the hell can you guys do
Well for one, treat it with the seriousness that it deserves.
That alone would and should change many people’s view on this.
This is not that different than when these Republicans ship illegal immigrants to CA or Washington or Boston. It has happened time and time again, and every time Liberals want to play it down in the hopes that it won’t happen again. And then it happens again! And this latest time some little kid died because of it. What is it going to take for the Left to take it serious enough to where human trafficking charges are brought up on the people that planned it? Ruin the lives of some of the people who were involved in treating humans like property by getting them inundated with federal charges and endless legal fees. You better believe that when someone might be held liable for helping DeSatan plan a trick, they might think twice. But Liberals in the US are just a bunch of pussies that would rather becomes targets for some gun crazed redneck than ever go on the offensive.
