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I’m pan, can confirm I wouldn’t touch SH2 with a ten foot pole if Angela looked like that. Porn addicted coomer gamers are a subset of a subset of gamers, and think they are the majority

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There’s a reason all the porn games are only found in the nastiest, stankiest corners of itch.io and steam. If they were actually what people wanted, they would be front and centre best selling games.

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Nah, cus oorn addiction, isn’t real. Mormons made that up. This is just out and iut misogyny.

lol corn

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I think it may be real, but needs to be studied by non religious people and actually peer reviewed.

It does feel like some guys like jerking off way too much that there has to be something. Misogyny plays a role.

On another note, a guy I knew that worked on the Bernie campaign who suddenly announced on Facebook that he had a Porn Addiction but has cured it by converting to the Armenian Apostolic Church (he isn’t even Armenian). I had to cut him off because he’s basically a nazi now.

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one day we’re going to go beyond the model of addiction which unfortunately has been poisoned by both religion and the entire addiction-industrial complex (what i call Forever Recovery)

it’s going to end up being far more complex and rooted in material conditions then most mainstream realize

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This so much. Addiction needs to be studied and addressed from a non-religious standpoint. I’m an alcoholic and have some issues around porn addiction and it’s real but not in the sense of it being a moral failing but due to my own internalized sexism I’ve encountered over the years and in my formative ones and also like you said material conditions. Mental health plays a huge role too.

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the model of addiction which unfortunately has been poisoned by both religion and the entire addiction-industrial complex (what i call Forever Recovery)

Wait, is recovery not supposed to be a life long journey?

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I’m talking completely out of my ass here, but I feel like excessive masturbation — whatever we might define “excess” to be in practice — is often related to alienation and just terminal boredom. Which is to say, if you feel like you have no control over your own life, and no impact on anything around yourself, then you still have control over your own body, and your own impact on yourself, right? You crave stimulation, and you can give that to yourself — lo, how independent you are!

The pathology would then arise when, essentially, the signifier is conflated for the signified: when the frequent masturbation being a result of lack of control over one’s own life, is reinterpreted as frequent masturbation being in itself lack of control over one’s own life. This, I’d reckon, would generally occur when someone on some level does not wish to acknowledge that thon lacks control over sy own life, and therefore chooses to hate whatever represents that lack of control rather than confront the fact head-on. Alternatively, someone could’ve just internalized those ridiculous ideas of any amount of masturbation being harmful. In many cases, well, both.

In any case, when you believe yourself to not be in control of your own masturbation, and masturbation happens to be your coping mechanism for your lack of life control, then these will obviously only feed into each other in a very unproductive way. Badabing badaboom, you have a “porn addiction”.

Now as I’m saying, I’m just talking out of my ass here, but I do feel like this would explain the general leanings of supposed “porn addiction” with regard to gender and political ideology. Because if you’re the gender who’s raised to feel like you’re owed the world, that you should be on top and in control, then you’re more likely to have a pathological reaction to not being that; and if you’re the type who would project your hatred of the contradictions of capitalism onto its pool of imported labor, then you’re more likely to project your hatred of your life being kinda shit, onto your own genitals. Yet the actual mechanism of “porn addiction” would be, strictly speaking, neutral in terms of gender and ideology — it would find itself anywhere profound boredom would cross paths with a lack of life control that a person for any reason just could not face…

…Except, what about ideas like supernormality and the hedonic treadmill? Why do some people meet their “porn addiction” with shame while others “embrace it”? I can’t account for any of that, so I don’t think I have all the answers.

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In so far as I understand it has been studied, or rather attempts have been made to study it, and they have uniformly failed because the phenomena as described by masturbation-fearers does not exist in any meaningful way. It really is just mormons, catholics, and other weird little freaks trying to pathologize normal sexual behavior. It has legs because so many people have absolutely no concept of what normal sexual behavior is, and because everyone’s so damn isolated and porn is stimulating enough to consistent help cope with the social and cultural wasteland of 21st century life. People think they’re jerking it too much because they’ve been conditioned to feel intense shame for jerking it at all, and they think they’re addicted because they think about sex a normal amount of the time. There’s a pretty strict physical limit on “jerking it too much” because no matter what you use for lube chafing will make itself known eventually.

Depression, anxiety, and malaise also factor in - Masturbation is a very basic form of self-soothing available to almost everyone. People who are already in bad headspace and beset by religious brainworms masturbate because it makes them feel better, then once the anxiety and self loathing comes back htey ascribe it to masturbation and decide they’re weak, pathetic, sinners, addicted, whatever bullshit because otherwise they wouldn’t masturbate to feel better or distract themselves from the depression. And then they go a step further saying that masturbation and thinking about sex is a source of depression.

It’s really just weird Christians convinced that if you eat enough bran flakes you won’t think about sex, updated for the 21st century.

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It’s really just weird Christians convinced that if you eat enough bran flakes you won’t think about sex, updated for the 21st century.

It wasn’t just bran flakes - his whole schtick was about living life in as unstimulating a fashion as possible. Food that isn’t as dull and bland as possible might inflame the passions, and passion for something that doesn’t taste like cardboard might translate into passion of another kind. His original flakes were unsweetened, as were his contemporary Graham’s crackers in order to be as tasteless as possible.

Routine infant circumcision is a thing in the US because of the corn flakes nutter, the idea was that circumcision would reduce masturbation by cutting off a bunch of erogenous tissue without actually limiting your ability to reproduce. He also had a procedure for girls that involved burning the clitoris with acid to reduce sensitivity, but that one never took off to mass appeal and is illegal in every state now.

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There was a dude at the rehab I went to who claimed to be working on, among other things, porn addiction. The first time I saw him he was wearing a shirt that said “GOONER” in big letters.

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Corn addiction is a very serious matter I’ll have you know.

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Kind of scary that these murder fuck “alpha males” live alongside us. Then they wonder why women generally feel unsafe, GEE WHAT A MYSTERY

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Isn’t silent hill exactly wrong type of game to experience anything remotely close to arousal? (i know its plotline only through cultural osmosis)

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being generous, there is probably some link with fear and arousal. like after a scary movie has concluded or stopped, when feeling safe maybe or as an act of life affirmation? I dunno. I played Silent Hill and it didn’t put me in the mood to get down. it just gave me the creeps. but I’ve had dates before where there was a spooky movie and it later lead to some honking.

more broadly, I do not get the need to make everything eroticized. I don’t want to be prudish, but it seems like far too much already is or at least trying to provoke me into feeling “turned on” to sell me a beer or a burger or a Chevy or a watch. of course, I’m an old now, so I’m not the walking hardon I was when I was 19 anymore either. I just tend to assume stuff I don’t get is meant for a different demographic anymore.

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no it has the sexy nurse demons who represent being horny and making gamer wee-wee hard

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I think they’re specificsally the protagonists agonizing guilt over staring at a nurse in the hospital while his with was dying.

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It sort of plays with arousal a little in the design of the nurses, but that serves the story and is also creepy, you’re not supposed to be aroused by the faceless bloody-bandaged booba enemies, at least not ‘cleanly’. They and Pyramid Head are the warped expressions of James’ desires.

I don’t know if their inclusion was intended to become a rorsarch test of the players themselves, but that’s sure what happened. Now that I think about it, their design is great for that, it says “Here is some prominent cleavage and about 36 indicators that something is terribly wrong and dangerous, if you can ignore all of them and get horny for the cleavage then you are very close to being the worst version of James.”

And it’s one thing to sexualize the sex monster. But to then insist on sexualizing a human character with a personality who is in great pain from a lifetime of objectification and really wants to not be sexualized, to then petulantly stamp your foot and insist on the righteousness of your crusade to morph her into something you can whack off to… It seems like it’s more about the power at that point, the power to take away someone’s ability to refuse to be consumed as a treat.

Just for the sake of the people around them, I’m glad these guys will never have a relationship.

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They and Pyramid Head are the warped expressions of James’ desires.

Left out Maria there, who is essentially a sex fantasy version of Mary born from his frustrated sexuality.

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These people don’t play video games (besides FIFA and COD), they just pretend to care about it so they can attack minorities. They probably don’t even know what the game is about, these people out of nowhere become experts in anime, sports, games, series and movies so they can attack minorities. When playing games wasn’t so mainstream, these would be the same people who mocked people who played games as a hobby and were invested in some fictious world, now that being a gamer is more mainstream, they have to pretend they care about games, so they can grift to 14 year olds who hate women.

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No, they do play video games but are incapable of seeing beyond the blue curtains

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Yeah, these sorts of people have never struck me as COD or sports games fans

They’re the sorts of people who consider themselves patrician video game connoisseurs because they post on /v/ or some terrible subreddit

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My friends brother is like that, mocks them for playing ttrpgs and crpgs, while complaining about media being woke now-a-days. All they play is like Halo or whatever.

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So, do straight men always want everything they enjoy to satisfy their dick in one way or another? I couldn’t imagine being like this.

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So, do straight men always want everything they enjoy to satisfy their dick in one way or another? I couldn’t imagine being like this.

Token cishet white guy, there’s a time and a place for getting titillated into whacking off and a video game exploring the complex web of a man’s guilt and psycho-sexual hangups is NOT the place.

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…so long as Maria is attractive and relatively sexualized (since she represents his frustrated sexuality, she’s essentially born of a sex fantasy version of his dead wife) and the nurses keep a sort of distorted mixture of overtly feminine features that could be attractive but not together, and are firmly in the uncanny valley and just…wrong.

Angela has less of a concern over what kind of design they go with, since she’s not a projection of James’ psyche. So anything that resembles the character from the original is fine. Maybe not the picture from the OP since that seems way out of line for the tone, but aside from that…

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20 points

Gamergate and its consequences have been a disaster on top of something that was already a disaster

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I think these guys are a new extreme of misogynistic sexualization. There’s always been awooga guys but i think this specific kind came from a combination of culture war, hyperalienation, amd readily available cjatgpt image makers.

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As a cis straight guy who draws fetish porn for a living, this is beyond anything I’ve seen. People I work for can separate sexy times and non-sexy times, they don’t need women to be sexualised 24/7.

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