In the face of death, the occupiers show their true essence. They throw their helmets hysterically, fight back with automatic weapons, try to escape, but get what they deserve. A forest of EW antennas on the back of one of the occupiers did not help to escape from the “penal sanctions” of the soldiers of the “Rarog” Battalion of the 24th OMBr.
What awful waste of human lives. And I guess there is no good way to die in war, but this just seems so atrocious for everyone involved
Every death and every kill that will haunt a soldier in this shit show is on Putin’s head.
No, it is not just Putin. Stop excusing all of Russia. They want the war, the see it as patriotic to fight the evil ukrainians. It is not just Putin the same way it was not just Hitler.
The only way to truly win in war is to never fight.
If you have a choice, that is.
As long as nobody starts, not playing is the easiest way to avoid defeat. But if one player plays, the rest must follow or lose. And as long as either keeps playing, neither can stop. That is the tragedy of war: Easy to start, hard to end, until the fire runs out of fuel and only ruin is left.
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Serious question: would carrying a shotgun in the field be worth the additional weight? Would it be feasible to switch to the shotgun and kill it before it got into lethal range?
I think a semi-auto shotgun would definitely be worth it. I think armies should also add skeet shooting to boot camp and have skeet shooting specialized troops in every squad going forward.
It just seems self evident, you’d think it would at least be considered. Every drone death I have seen the target is clearly aware of the drone and has had time to react and run.
Maybe. Getting a shotgun out, and pointed in the right direction is not instant. I can do it fairly fast when I’m hunting, but I keep plenty of extra paddles in my canoe so that after shooting I can go find the dropped paddles. I’m not sure if soldiers are in position to safely throw whatever they have in their hands. I’m also not sure if having a shotgun is worth the extra weight when they don’t need it.
For sure this needs a military expert to weigh in on. Though I doubt they are talking yet.
Would Skeet shooting be applicable here? I thought a good part of the skill with Skeet was seeing the flight path of the target and anticipating where its going to be then shooting, but all of that in skeet is dependent on linear paths and no other change in velocity from the clay pigeon. Drones don’t behave that way. They speed up, they slow down, they hover, they go left, right, up, down, backwards, forwards and seemingly random intervals.
I haven’t tried my shotgun on real drones, but I would expect it makes no difference. Once you point in the right direction and pull the trigger the shot leaves fast enough such that I don’t expect a drone can move too far.
Totally a keyboard warrior reply, but I suspect that since most of those videos show individual or pair of soldiers, its after their squad was destroyed and these guys are remainder. They probably also hear a lot of drones flying around during the day, so even if they are loud as hell, maybe you “get used” to it and don’t react as quick.
Probably don’t expect every soldier to carry shotguns so depending who survives the first contact, might not have a right weapon. Also I don’t actually know what is Russian squads go to load-outs are. It would be interesting to know if Ukrainian squads who have western training keep up with similar load outs as touted by western armies (where people have roles and equipment to suit). But as we rarely see videos of successful interceptions, its probably not something Ukraine would be quick to share.
Take all this with a ton of salt though, I have no sources, just assumptions. Would be great to hear from professional soldiers with actual combat experience though.
The US Infantry already carries shotguns for breaching. So yes. Very feasible.
I wonder what fraction of a Ukrainian soldier’s time is spent with occupied hands where they can’t ready weapon and acquire target within a few seconds. Probably not too common in open battlefield, and you could have a designated drone spotter for those periods if that’s not already a thing.
I’ve seen a video about an ammunition being developed to be adapted to the underbarrel grenade launcher. Problem is that it needs to be ready if you any chance at it, and you only have one chance.
Second problem is that most Russian soldiers are barely trained and equipped anyway, they’re just litteral canon fodder. Elite troops certainly have something to fight drones, but I suspect jamming would be the first layer. The video we see are most probably against the canon fodder.
I made a relevant comment to someone else above, so I’ll link that here. https://lemmy.zip/comment/14157725
In the face of death, the occupiers show their true essence. They throw their helmets hysterically, fight back with automatic weapons, try to escape, but get what they deserve.
The true essence being… afraid of dying? I’d probably react the same.
Whether each individual deserves this is questionable. Though this doesn’t mean I don’t approve of the Ukrainian measures, in fact I support these fully,
However, as I’m not Ukrainian, my view on the matter is naturally different from someone’s who is currently being invaded. So I do get the sentiment. Just that I don’t want to celebrate it
I’m surprised only one guy tried to shoot it. Are they that low on ammo?
I mean honestly, I would not consider it because drones are tiny and quick. I don’t think I’d be able to shoot one.
But depending on direction your fired ammo can fall on someone else on your side and now not only are you dead but you killed someone else via friendly fire.
That is true, but I feel my chances would be smaller if I were fucking around with grabbing my gun from my back first
Depends on what you are shooting with. A standard military rifle would be a difficult shot. A standard hunting shotgun has a good chance - though a shotgun doesn’t have much range.
I hate the “shotguns don’t have range” thing. Sure, they’re usually less than a rifle, but they’re pretty accurate at long ranges, even when not using slugs. When you use slugs then they’re competitive with a rifle with a lot more force.
Shotguns don’t work like video games. They’re not only useful for 2m or less. This article says about 70m for buckshot should be accurate, and 180m for some slugs, and most engagements are within 100m and a large majority within 200m.
For shotguns, it’s all about selecting the right shell for the target. I wouldn’t be that surprised if some militaries start equipping one person per element at least with a shotgun, and giving them a mix of something like birdshot for drones and slugs or buckshot for enemy combatants. It’d add some small amount of extra strain on logistics since they can’t use the same ammo, but I could see it being incredibly useful.
