72 points

its just so crazy that this guy is a presidential candidate especially given his previous presidency. We really need a collection of verifiable trump facts as there are so many. He fondled woman vaginally, he blackmailed a foreign leader, hes been supportive of violent protest if its supportive of him. I mean this is just off the top of my head but I know there is so much more but ironically there is so much it makes it hard to remember it all.

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We really need a collection of verifiable trump facts as there are so many.

This is pretty much worthless to anyone that is currently maga. There are no such things as facts that come from outside of their leaders mouth. A sycophant who defends him today, is a “secret liberal” tomorrow if he says something that goes against Trump. They won’t believe anything they don’t want to.

The only people that matter are those “on the fence” that are Republicans but don’t want Trump. If they only stick to fox news though they’ll never get these “facts.” :(

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7 points

I mean much of it did come out of his mouth.

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4 points

True, for those instances “he was kidding, stop being dramatic.” Or “he didn’t actually mean that, he meant (whatever makes him not sound crazy)!” :(

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The only facts these people believe are Alternative Factstm

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There are no such things as facts that come from outside of their leaders mouth.

Except when he says stuff that they don’t like, in which case they say “oh, he didn’t really mean it.”

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I wouldn’t worry about convincing the magas or even non-maga Republicans. Non-voters are much bigger issue, but also a bigger potential for reasoning.

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3 points

I think the biggest issue with them is the apathy that keeps them from voting in the first place. I can’t even convince my own mother or step father to vote at all because “they’re all the same” as far as corruption goes… :(

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Facts are useless against trumpers. Satirize them. Laugh. Let them hear nothing but a chorus of laughter when they speak. They need to know how many people find them so absurd it borders on humor.

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11 points

This is what we are dealing with in America. A piece of human waste represents a large portion of America. In fact they worship him.

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represents a large portion of America. In fact, they worship him

They literally want to install him as a dictator.

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Some of them do. Most of them believe, despite his own statements to the contrary, that he’d never do such a thing.

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Yeah but then red hats make their own webpage showing every positive thing during trumps presidency and every negative thing during Biden’s and Obama. Factually verified, multiple sources.

Because their base doesn’t know that correlation isn’t causation.

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I downloaded the pdf. 360 pages taht only goes through 2021.

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He has been shown in court to have raped a woman and it makes no difference to his voters. It’s a brainwashing cult. Also, some of them have such twisted ideas of masculinity that they admire a man who rapes.

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2 points

I think changing fundamentally the way construction works in New York and the US in general to damage the working class is the one that pisses me off the most.

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51 points

To Trump supporters, this sound like “The deep state doesn’t want Trump to be president”. Messaging like this reinforces their narratives

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Can anyone really be so dumb as to see people who Trump himself appointed to office and worked closely with saying “this guy is an evil wannabe dictator” and think “man, those guys are part of the deep state conspiracy to destroy Trump”?

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27 points

Yes

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18 points

Yes, I have family this deep in the cult

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21 points

It’s not those people that this sways. They are a “lost cause” in most regards. It’s the people who have hesitations and concerns. The people that have been lifelong Republicans but are feeling jaded or are starting to see through the facade.

It helps sway those people.

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11 points

Tbh I’m skeptical that this is a demographic that exists in any meaningful capacity.

I hope I’m wrong on this…

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Fuck every last one of them for thinking that growing a conscience now matters. They can all die cold, alone and in disgrace for betraying our country when it really mattered. Them stepping up now is fucking worthless. It’s too late.

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trump is cancelling interviews, not doing debates, not talking about policy, because he’s expecting the supreme court to crown him king, which they will, the instant they’re given the chance

the only reason he does rallies is because he’s a fucking toddler who feeds on attention

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Then they do that, I hope they’re ready for the outcome. There are going to be a LOT of people who won’t do crap until after the other shoe drops.

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8 points

It’s really difficult to see this ending without violence. If he loses, his supporters are going to get violent. If he wins via a house vote or SCOTUS, I would expect violence.

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I never understood this, what do the Supreme Court justices have to gain if trump becomes dictator.

Do they really think being more wealthy than now but under a dictator is better?

Like, some of them have children right? Wouldn’t you want your kids to grow up in a democracy if the king your electing can turn on you anytime?

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You’re not thinking like a fascist.

I and mine will always be safe for together our great nation is strong.

Does it hold up to logic or the slightest scrutiny? No. Does that matter to a fascist? Not even a little bit. Because you see… I and mine will always be safe…

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23 points

I also warn against voting for a Nazi like Trump.

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