He should have been arrested last time. Now we have to hope a soldier or officer has enough of a spine to destroy his career by so much as telling the Cheeto in Chief “no.”
Veteran here. If it’s any consolation, basic training included a fairly lengthy course (well… relative to the other shit they teach there at least) about how to identify and what to do when given unlawful orders. Lots of emphasis on DO NOT FUCKING FOLLOW THEM. Lots of emphasis on the Nuremberg trials / if your defense is “just followed orders…” then you’re fucked. They talked about people like Hugh Thompson Jr. and the severe back pain he sustained from lugging around those massive balls.
The military does NOT want to become Nazis or stormtroopers. If Trump plays the whole ‘execute order 66’ card, military leadership will tell him to suck a dick.
It’s the cops I’m worried about. And the neonazi civilians responding to Trump’s stochastic terrorism.
Trump has the Supreme Court, the Senate, and almost certainly the House. All three will do as they are told. If the millitary refuses illegal orders, I think those orders will be made legal. Either that, or he will be allowed to replace military leadership.
It’s going to take more than just replacing the leadership. Every e-nothing gets that same training; whether illegal orders are coming down from the president himself or their immediate supervisor or anyone in between, they’ll be met with resistance.
Now, there are plenty of trumpanzees among the ranks who will put their loyalty to Agent Orange over their country and constitution, and do whatever he says no questions asked, just as it is with the non-military population. So, if we see an ‘order 66’ event, what’s going to happen is a SHIT TON of in-fighting within the ranks to the point that our military readiness is going to nosedive, leaving us vulnurable to other forms of attacks, but I don’t see troops actually hitting the streets like that in any organized fashion.
Again though, what I’m worried about are the cops. They’re already completely loyal to that shitstain, and have a long and regular history of extreme unnecessary violence and not actually following the law. And they’re already mobilized and infused into every single city in the US. Combine that with the civilian trumpanzees and we’ve got a very large force that have been itching for a civil war for like a decade at least.
Stand your ground laws should work on cops. An acorn might fall and they’ll start blasting randomly, best to nip that in the bud.
What if I told you, there are PLENTY of soldiers in every branch ready and waiting to betray any oath for daddy trump. They went through the same classes you did and just nodded along to get through it. Now they’re trained, and ready to fill the void when Trump fires or demotes anyone who refuses his orders.
And what if I told you that there’s also plenty of soldiers that will uphold the constitution and will be ready to fight for it.
Yep there’s 2 sides to this. Which is why I think civil war is inevitable. There will be 2 factions, Trump loyalists and American loyalists.
At some point Trump wants the military to be completely subservient to him. This is needed so he can abolish Congress and create a new office for himself as dictator. He knows if he just leaves office after 4 years the court cases will resume and he will end up in prison. He will do anything to stay out of prison.
We can only hope the generals won’t be loyal to him and when Trump fires the generals that their respective armed forces remain loyal to their general during the Civil War and not to Trump.
This is exactly what China and Russia wanted all along, to destabilize the usa. With us out of the way China will expand in the Phillipines and Taiwan while Russia expands its European offensive. I expect India to take advantage as well.
They better get ready for a fight because it’s coming. they will have to decide if they will just resign in protest or if they will fight. How many will actually fight? Who knows. Nearly everyone I know personally in the military, has said many times “it’s just a job”
The military is majority conservative especially enlisted. If officers try to keep things under control Der Fuhrer could just strip them of their commissions and give them to anyone he wants to. Especially if his people run congress.
That would require massive and obvious reorganizations of the military. It would also effectively hollow out the officer corps with so many of them refusing an illegal reorganization. (The organization at the high levels is set by law)
It’s far more likely Trump will take volunteer veterans into the DOJ, give them a badge, and run it like a military unit with all of the equipment and none of the accountability. It’s easier, faster, and legal.
I keep saying this again and again. Being set by law, does not fucking matter now. Being illegal, does not matter now. They will MAKE IT legal, or they will hand wave the illegality.
Officers in every branch are also trained to protect their people and be transparent with leadership about their limitations. Remember Captain Crozier?
Anyone who’s in long enough and is politically savvy enough to get stars, stopped caring about that stuff a long time ago.
They talked about people like Hugh Thompson Jr. and the severe back pain he sustained from lugging around those massive balls.
Did they talk about that absolutely nobody from the My Lai massacre - the example you brought up - saw any real consequences, with only one guy - who killed 22 - serving 3.5 years before Nixon got him out?
Or that the highest ranking surviving Nazi, who had a real say in German leadership during the war, was Hitler’s trusted advisor and unrepentant, unwavering follower, even after the war, got off with 10 years since the US and the UK committed similar war crimes as he did, so they didn’t sentence him for that?
Or the Hague invasion act and US war crimes that precipitated it? Or the US war crimes since?
I think those guys will be just fine saying “I was just following the orders of the magnificent Cheeto”.
Nope! This is basic training we’re talking about. They teach only the details that accomplish the lesson. And the lesson was don’t follow illegal orders. If there’s more to the story that contradicts the lesson, you bet your ass it was omitted.
I guess my point was just because they tell you that you are going to get your ass kicked for committing war crimes does not mean they are not blatantly lying about it and that the US armed forcers would disobey illegal orders in a real, live situation.
Give the military time. Good people will get tired or will retire. No one wants to have to fight this much.
They can force people to take the classes, but they can’t force them to agree with them. I’m glad they go over this, but they should probably test people on this stuff without warning them it’s a drill and see how they actually respond.
Like when he orders the execution of Mark Milley? It will perhaps be one of the most significant moments in US history where we either stay the US or become Turkey.
stay the US or become Turkey
You still think the US is better then Turkey in any way? I would rather live in Turkey to be honest. Better food.
“Pentagon officials discuss what to do if Trump were to attempt to deploy the military domestically, CNN reports”
“After CNN reports, the Trump administration discusses how to replace all Pentagon officials, CNN reports.”
No worries, with project 2025, anyone not completely loyal to Trump or a minority will be retired in order make the military great again!
After which the military will be so ineffective we won’t need to worry about it.
That’s too optimistic. Some of Trump’s biggest supporters have been Generals like Flynn, Mattis, and Kelly. They just changed their tune after he fired them.
The Joint Chiefs literally yelled at him last time, in the oval office, like he was a private.
