WYSK: There funded by dark money PACS, but some good reporting has brought out these names: David Koch, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Harlan Crow, and Michael Bloomberg. Some of there members are most famous for stopping big bills. Joe Leiberman, for example, single handedly stopped the single payer portion of the ACA. Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsen Simena kept the John Lewis voting rights act from passing, and famously kept the senate from repealing the filibuster.

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Biden is doing a good job given the circumstances. If you don’t want the total destruction of the United States, there is really only one choice for president… Joe Biden. All other roads lead to the Dark Lord Trumples, the Silly Piggy.

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Joe Biden should be in an old folks home. He can barely stand up let alone lead a nation. No fan of the other guy either, but let’s face it. Both of them are only puppets on a string.

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Biden has accomplished alot of big things actually, they just aren’t culture war issues so Republicans have never heard of any of them.

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go back to the fox news grandpa

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“a historic bipartisan infrastructure bill, generational investments in clean energy and semiconductor manufacturing, the first gun safety law in almost 30 years, a bill codifying same-sex marriage, a bill aiding veterans who suffered health effects from burn pits and an electoral reform to prevent a repeat of Trump’s attempt to use Congress to undermine the election.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015533-dear-democrats-stop-talking-about-bidens-age-and-focus-on-his-accomplishments/

I think he’s doing a fine job.

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Yeah but what about drag queens and fighting about childrens movies? Clearly those issues are far more important than infrastructure, strengthening the economy and taking care of veterans

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How many kids are still imprisoned in the concentration camps on the border?

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nonetheless, Biden still sounds far, far more coherent than Trump ever did when President

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They’re both far from the best the USA has to offer, but it’s better to understand and attack the structural barriers to viable 3rd parties here than to get pissed off at the state of disenfranchisement of the average voter and elect a ’ wild card’ out of spite

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undefined> attack the structural barriers to viable 3rd parties

Which starts by voting third party and ignoring people who parrot nonsense like “a vote for X is a vote for Y”.

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tbh I think if Biden gets reelected, america will inevitably collapse as a nation. we’re already close to the tipping point and biden has done nothing but accelerate that collapse.

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Biden has been as milquetoast as possible. The fact that the right is becoming more and more unhinged only shows how off the rails they are.

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I think biden is actually an extremist in social policy, and an emboldend corporate shill in economic policy. So while he might be “milquetoast” in terms of democrat vs republican, he’s far from what regular people want/need.

Ironically, most establishment republicans are also this way. They’re happy to push insane social policy stuff, while bootlicking the corporations.

I honestly think that the GOP will probably split or collapse due to the establishment GOP’s resistance to their populist voterbase. Democrats call it ‘unhinged’ but when informal polls show literally hitler as preferable by both left and right to biden/trump, I would say that both dnc/gop are the unhinged ones, not the people sick of the two parties.

“milquetoast” is the literal polar opposite of what we need right now.

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And Donald trump will be better? He did more harm in his 4years than biden has in his

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If trump gets elected, america will also inevitably collapse. neither are equipped to handle the upcoming issues.

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7 points

Biden. Voting Reform.

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2 points

What reform, exactly?

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Ranked choice voting, fix gerrymandering and voter suppression, end disenfranchisement of felons. Such things. I would love to hear any ideas if you or lemmy had some.

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Lots of people say and think that Biden is too old and demented but his has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years.

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The dems are never going to pass voting reform for the same reason the UK labour party (a considerably further left party than the dems) has never passed it despite pretending they would consider it for multiple decades now. They benefit from FPTP. All they would be doing is diluting their power and handing over a huge portion of the political landscape to socialists who would immediately become relevant, they would then be forced to actually come to agreements with those socialists as opposed to just completely and totally ignoring them as they do currently.

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Oh looky here,

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/politics/senate-voting-legislation-filibuster/index.html

Manchin and Sinema blocking exactly what your talking about

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Is labour still even left of Democrats? Their anti trans courting and behavior speaks volumes.

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I mean, if you’re a wage earner in this country, all the candidates are spoilers.

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Agreed. Working Class people must vote for a Working Class party. A party that tells everyone from the Professional/Managerial Class to Small Business Owners to the super-rich: fuck off, we don’t want your votes and we don’t want your money.

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5 points

Thats not what spoiler means

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If someone refuses to admit their political affiliation in the US you can basically guarantee they’re right wing.

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Ya know, it’s not always democrats versus republicans…

Until everyone stops voting for this bullshit two-party system, it’s just going to keep being dems and repubs pointing fingers at each other.

(This- is in no way me providing any endorsement, or affection for whatever candidate is in question. I know nothing about the person).

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It’s not actually two parties though. Both of them have multiple factions vying for power inside their party. Progressives versus Third Way. MAGA versus Finance.

The entire idea of two parties is an info op.

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5 points

Elected officials from both parties almost always seem to all vote for the same as the rest of their party and even at times vote against the opposing party only because the opposing party is voting for it.

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This isn’t going to happen until the majority of the country implements ranked choice voting, so that third party voting isn’t just throwing your vote away. As long as we are in the current system, third party voting is pointless.

Focus your efforts on getting ranked choice adopted. It is the key that will actually unlock the ability to vote for third parties.

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throwing your vote away

Until everyone stops thinking that way- the same cycle will repeat every 4 years.

Democrats and republicans blaming the person who came into office before them, for all of the countries problems, followed by a lot of election promises they will never keep.

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Now three guesses which party is trying to make RCV illegal & already have in Florida.

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Ranked Choice Voting doesn’t make third parties viable, either. It uses the same counting method as our current system (tally up people’s first-choice preferences) and therefore suffers from all the same problems, like vote-splitting, spoiler effect, and center-squeeze effect. You can’t fix the problems of FPTP by adding more rounds of FPTP. You need to allow voters to express opinions about all of the candidates and then actually count all of those opinions.

If you want third parties to be viable, you want real reforms like STAR Voting, Condorcet RCV, or Approval Voting.

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They didn’t say Republicans, they said right wing. The Democrats are also a right wing party, just center-right.

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Here in the US(topic of this post), democratic party is considered left, republican is considered right.

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In the current fptp system it has to be. Until ranked choice for president and proportional representation for the house then usually the left will shatter. The republic strongest point is they all vote under one big group even if they disagree internally. All splitting the vote will do is empower that “team”

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Until ranked choice for president

That wouldn’t change anything. RCV still produces a polarized two-party system.

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its literally always democrats versus republicans. thats how a FPTP winner take all voting system works

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I’m not a democrat, I’m a leftist.

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Stop trying to play the victim. I didn’t say a single thing about you, nor your political affiliation.

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Good luck electing anyone not in the two party system. I think there’s 1 or 2 independent senators and no independent representatives. You need to change the rules of the game, cause like it or not were all playing the game. And not voting or voting 3rd party when they’re polling at 1% is just giving an extra vote to someone who disagrees with you.

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Good luck electing anyone not in the two party system.

There isn’t that much luck needed. Just people to realize they don’t have to vote between a douche or the turd (south park reference). And, when people do so- turns out, it is possible to elect something other than a douche or a turd.

https://my.lp.org/elected-officials/

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so democrats are like vegans?

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No, leftists are like vegans. Call a vegan a vegetarian, “I’m not a vegetarian, I’m a vegan!”

Call a leftist a democrat, “I’m not a democrat, I’m a leftist!”

(btw, I’m a leftist. Not a vegan though)

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If I was the the maga or republicans right now I would fund as many leftist third parties as possible as the best way to secure a trump victory

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And they will.

The problem is they don’t have to lie about how bad Democrats have been for the people. (Not that Republicans would be any better, mind you.)

Most Americans have seen their cost of living jump 30%-50% under Joe Biden, and Biden’s response is to send $100 billion overseas to fight another country’s war, not to give a dime of aid to people here who actually need it.

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Are you seriously claiming that Ukrainians do not need help? Try losing your kid to a bomb on a pizza restaurant. Wonder how the real estate market in Mariupol is.

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So does Yemen, but you know what the US has been doing? Helping Saudi Arabia starve and decimate the country for the last eight years.

And your fellow Americans are being neglected in order to fund all of this. I’m not sure why it’s such a radical notion that maybe, just maybe that hundred billion should be used to benefit our own people instead of funding yet another war.

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See also: Forward party, both parties have lots of catchy slogans about working together or moving forward. Yet no platform.

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Other than the Wikipedia article in this thread, do you have other source material?
I would like to know more.

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