It’s one thing to have differing views, but I’ve seen enough attempted reddit migrations to be relieved that the popular communities in the fediverse so far haven’t been about crazy racist stuff or other extreme right bullshit.
I am also glad that I’m getting away from reddit’s general political shitposting, which was more left leaning. You couldn’t have any proper discourse on there, and even I with my generally more left leaning views recognized that.
Oh believe me, there are definitely people from either extremes on here as well. What’s different on Lemmy/kbin is that server admins can just straight up block and defederate these servers, which means for the most part you won’t be seeing these posts unless you specifically look for them.
But we have out fair share of Mao and Stalin lovers and Xi loveboys. It’s very simmilar. But I guess they are mostly contained to one or two instances.
Yeah, that also sucks, but on the other side Reddit had those too. Over half of leftist subreddits was plagued by them in fact.
I really liked /r/latestagecapitalism but I got banned for talking smack about China, and how the authoritarianism of the USSR and its child states didn’t line up with the values they tried to espouse.
Permanently banned. Appeal ignored. Disappointing, but good riddance I suppose.
Indeed, people tend to forget that the left-right meet isn’t a half circle, but a full circle. You lean far enough one way on either side and you start wandering into the other side.
Nah, horseshoe theory is bullshit. Militant far left, and militant far right are shitty for very different reasons.
When the destination is militant authoritarism and fascists, how you got to that point doesn’t really matter.
Fascists, alt-right, tankies, and other extremists will kill any chance we have of talking normally in this place, so they cannot be allowed to take root in the mainstream instances.
horseshoe theory and the political compass are both kinda silly tho, left and right are more like collections of allied ideologies than a precise value that can be placed on a graph or spectrum.
That’s like closing the eyes. I like tje political communities, that was the main reason I was on reddit.
/r/Politics was a pretty terrible place. I hope you aren’t suggesting you want that here.
Thanks to the beauty of both open source models and activitypub, the fact that the lead developer is a tankie does not affect Lemmy users in any way because their sphere of influence ends at lemmygrad and lemmy.ml . If you’re a user of those instances and want out, you can just create another account in another instance and still can access any communities you want.
I keep hearing this, and I still don’t care. Being from America, I’ve never even heard that term.
Reddit was run by a capitalist corporation. In America, the Left should hate that, but most of Reddit was decidedly liberal.
See? It doesn’t matter. Use the platform or don’t. Block what you don’t want to see. People are going to post different opinions in public spaces.
These instances are like pirate ships pursuing us.
But they don’t write from their original instance name… nonono, I’m sure that they are popping up here with a fresh duplicate account:
“Hello, let me explain some politics to you, but first let me nuke your reputation with a few multi accounts”.
And you end up discussing with a whooping 5 downvotes as a starter. It gives the tone for the other people who want to discuss and see you as “this guy”.
Oh, they’re still here lurking in the shadows. You will never be free of mankind’s most gullible and aggressively ignorant people! Muhahaha!
Voat was created as an alternative for all the nazis that got banned on Reddit so it was always designed to be full of shit. This sphere of the fediverse managed to keep clear of these people. They are able to create their own sphere that is not federated with this one but that is not a problem for us here.
I’m gonna take a big guess as to why we see less of ‘em. It may be a bit complicated for them to join. Many are used to a one-stop-shop website. Strength in numbers, I suppose.
This is my thought exactly. As it becomes easier and easier to use these sites, with apps and everything, we will start to see more crazy and stupid conservatives.
They’re too stupid to figure it out at the moment. Most of them at least. And the ones who aren’t, are the ones who are aware that they’re ideology is trash, but they are using it for financial and/or tax reasons.
I mean, there instances that exist as havens for far right folks. But they are not defeated with the bulk of the instances. See the exploding heads thing.
And main original dev is apparently a “tankie” which appears to be a communist apologist of some kind. For this part I’m just reporting what I’ve seen others say. I know nothing about him myself.
A tankie is a Soviet communist apologist/Stalin fetishist. Communism by itself isn’t something you need to really defend in that way, as it just means that the plan is to distribute the means of production and decision making abilities. For example Tito in Yugoslavia held a multiethnic state in the fucking Balkans so well to the point that people still identify as Yugoslavs even if its not an ethnicity but a state affiliation for a country that hasnt existed for 30 years. Same thing goes for Greece, WW2 would have been a complete Nazi victory if the communist partisan militias hadnt held up the Italians and Germans for so long.
The thing with tankies is that they are too blinded by ideology to notice that the Soviets and Maoists were/are just Totalitarians in disguise.
A tankie is specifically an apologist for militant authoritarians who claim to be communists. There are many, many more theories of communism than Leninism and Stalin worship.
Shit, the Fediverse is functionally an experiment in anarchism.
Wasn’t it spun off/got popular because fatpeoplehate or something got banned? It was just a hole for shit crawl towards to for their freeze peach.
I’m surprised there isn’t a fat people hate here. They got all sorts of politics from that group.
Through constant vigilance, anyways. Every time you see some little fuck dogwhistling about FREE SPEECH or CENSORSHIP, you gotta make sure they aren’t welcome in these parts.
“Far right buffoonery” starts with people batching about how they’re being “”“censored”“” for saying slurs or trying to have “honest conversations about race” or whatever.
Nip 'em in the bud and voila, no Nazis on your kbin.
I remember concrete dog whistle accusation generally falling into two categories:
- Checking their comment history revealed either actual Nazi apologia or a general destructive behaviour if you looked deep enough.
- Checking their comment history revealed that the accuser was a pro-censorship and didn’t like dissenting opinions.
My conclusion: dog whistles are a reason to look deeper. Keep an eye on those people. However, don’t just condemn them.
The very point of dog whistles is to appear innocuous and even invisible to “normal people”. False positives are inevitable, and after seeing a dozen actual dog whistles, pareidolia will make you see their shapes everywhere.
Obligatory nazi bar story copypasta:
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
I left reddit because of the censorship there and the freedom here. how does that make one a nazi wtf o_O
Some right ppl are kinda hijacking the terms “free speech” and “censorship” because they get censored for their bs a lot (and rightfully though). Since their posts get deleted a lot they scream for “free speech” and are against “censorship”. Reminds me how they appropriated some symbols in the past…
I was banned from a bunch of subs all at once because I said in one (I’m still not sure which one), that I don’t think children should undergo gender or sex transition.
fascism doesnt play fair in the marketplace of ideas, if you invite a nazi to sit at your table you’ve made it a nazi table. free speech is necessary and important, but we still draw lines for things like defamation and hate speech. another line is not offering a platform to fascists, they arent entitled to a seat at the table to spread fud.
you’re like “but i’m not a nazi” , great, let’s keep it that way.
how did this discussion devolve into Nazis? I’m afraid you’re probably part of the problem.
Importantly, “free speech” is about government, not privately owned spaces.
We believe the government should not be given the power to censor speech, because people are born into it without a choice. Governments could use this power nefariously, and their citizens would have no meaningful recourse.
Nobody is born into Reddit or kbin or Lemmy. If someone doesn’t like the rules of a given instance, they are welcome to leave and free themselves of this burden.
It certainly doesn’t. It’s just that alt rtght absolutely abuses good will and rules to the extreme and systematically hijacks certain phrases.
See Elon Musk’s Twitter as a light example (giving in to authoritarian censorship, and skewing content visibility, while constantly touting himself a “Free speech absolutist”), or the_donald from Reddit, which was mostly made of bots, conspiracy theorists and some sane, but malicious people, banning anyone who’s even slightly misaligned.
Some people like the previous commenter are then incorrectly shortcutting hijacked slogans to the alt right. Which was their goal to start with - increasing the friction, uncertainty and division.
To elaborate about free speech we want to mantain sensible environment. So we need to give a boot to astroturfing bots and far, far right neonazis. Though as with most things, moderation is the key.
Elon’s acquisition of Twitter serves as an insightful case study of how a corporate CEO can turn what used to be a diverse, tolerant, and bountiful community of netizens with no home for hate speech and misinformation into a sad capitalist bloodbath.
Please take note, Huffman. And please take note, the internet in general.
Yes, but the “censorship” and “freedoms” they talk about isn’t about malicious censorship (I.e. Spez going around quietly editing dissenting comments) or freedom about how our content is used (I.e. Reddit refusing to let people delete their comments).
Their version is about spreading misinformation and hate speech of all kinds, alongside racist and facist ideologies unfiltered and unimpeded. They’re malicious actors acting like victims.
We don’t want any of that, we want all folks to feel welcome, which is why we have to shoot that down. To maintain a tolerant society, we must only be intolerant of the intolerant.
we want all folks to feel welcome
That’s another thing they’ll tell you, to add to your point. They’ll say general society, or lefties, are unwelcoming hypocrits for expressing the need for inclusion while not including fascists.
They’ll word the same opinions in a million ways until they find the way that gets you to allow them to continue blabbering intolerant bull crap.
Reddit was filled with a special brand of retards always trying to police language always acting smug about taking about some weird moral high road it is exhausting to deal with. People irl dont have such tight asses about speech. And permabanning someone for having an opinion you dont agree with is an abuse of power (not like it matters much to people who are so zealous about policing public morality). Obviously dont be a shitter and start spouting off trump supporters special brand of koolaid but if you feel like trans women should not compete with biological women in professional womens sports then you are free to think that way.
Speaking of speech:
Using the word “retard” as a derogatory term is pretty offensive to those born with developmental defects. It’s similar to how we used to use “gay” in a similar way a few decades ago. It’s pretty shitty.
