If so, was it polled somewhere?
So I was just looking through literature.cafe a bit, and came across this excellent comment chain by Janvier. It outlines the history and culture of Hexbear, and makes a very solid argument for defederating them.
TL;DR- Don’t defederate Hexbear because they’re a bunch of genocide-apologist authoritarians. Defederate them because they’re annoying, and will burn out your moderators.
Personally I think it’s an extremely toxic community that represents the worst of the internet. They’re extremely set in their ways and provide no meaningful content or discussions on the platform. That’s totally fine for them but they can do whatever they want in their own safe space.
I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.
Report every hexbear comment and let the mods know how you feel. Should send the message.
Could you fucking not? If they annoy you, block them. If they don’t break any rules and you report them anyways, the only thing you’ll achieve is annoying SJW moderators. At that point, you’ll get banned before Hexbear gets defederated.
As a moderator in a different community, please DO report all malicious comments posted wherever they are
Moderators with a brain understands the purpose of the “I wasn’t born yesterday rule”
Are you a mod?
I suspect they are coordinating to boost their comments in other communities/instances. Their fringe political views are always highly upvoted, I just find it suspicious. Many places have rules against brigading, so where I suspect it I will report it.
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right. But I still think it’s good to communicate to the mods/admins that a lot of users do not like hexbear because they are disruptive in every community they visit.
I commented on here already about our instances interaction with hexbear. It’s a disaster that led to somehow them defedarating from Blahaj for being not safe for their LGBT members even tho Blahaj is like one of the most accepting instance for LGBT people. Many of us were trying to ask our admin to defederate from them because those on our instance felt unsafe. Felt like a “no u” moment they tried to pull before we defederated them for not being safe for our members lol.
Then Blahaj started getting spammed by a new user who was calling a bunch of trans users anti trans. They also said our admins was anti trans even though she was openly trans. Then that user began spamming across lemmy how Blahaj and it’s admin were anti-trans and should not be visited.
Also saw that user get a Blahaj user banned from lemmy.world even though nobody in that discussion was commenting on an lemmy.world community. It has a lot of shit so everything below is just that story.
What happened was another trans Blahaj user commented on a post on some 3rd instance and the OP of that post basically said “I know your reputation from elsewhere and your comment here proves your anti-trans reputation”. The Blahaj user went wtf and then realized the OP was one of those commenting on the original trolls post and was basically saying the Blahaj user was anti trans. The Blahaj user was rightfully pissed and accused the OP of being an alt of that troll since they wrote in the same style as the original troll (I honestly was feeling the same as I read it all). The OP wouldn’t reply and just stuff like " I refuse to reply to you" or “please don’t talk to me” or “I respectfully ask you to not engage with me”. It all felt trollish since that OP was the only who started the argument and now refused to engage after starting.
After the 3rd attempt at an reply , a lemmy.world admin came in saying that if the Blahaj user replied one more time to OP then they would be permanently banned from all of lemmy.world. Keep in mind this wasn’t even on lemmy.world and the whole thing started because OP insulted a trans user by stating they were anti-trans. The Blahaj user was still pissed since she got insulted for saying she has the reputation of somebody who would hate everything she was and replied again. The original troll from way earlier came to the post & replied to her and tagged the lemmy.world admin saying they needed to be banned for being a chaser and replying after being told not to. Then the Blahaj user got banned.
It still feels so fucked that a lemmy.world admin would step into that 3rd instance and threaten the Blahaj user with loss of access to the biggest lemmy instance if she didn’t ignore being called an anti-trans. It really helped show me the short comings of lemmy since every instances admin will probably just take what a user from their instance state as fact and ignore the other person.
Sorry for that long comment. It’s just that I saw how hexbear will twist words in their favor like with claiming Blahaj isn’t safe for their LGBT members and then strangely had new accounts show up calling trans Blahaj users as anti-trans and realized that it was just way too on the nose as where could these users have came from.
We all laughed in Blahaj when they defederated first lol. It was so childish for them to block us for being unsafe right before we were about to do it lmfao. They tried so hard to change the narrative but it failed.
I feel bad for any instance that has to deal with them in a daily bases. It makes scrolling through lemmy annoying unless you block every fucking community from them.
Maybe we should encourage defederation from our end, that way we’ll be safe from them since if they defederate us they can change their mind whenever they want and go back to spamming us if they are bored.
A bit misleading description of CTH on reddit, because they most certainly developed their obnoxious behaviour and jargon already back then, and they did very little to combat racism and fascism there precisely becuase their obnoxious behaviour was counter-productive to such goals (also there were other subreddits far more active and useful in combating fascism and bigotry on reddit such as r/againstallhatesubreddits, which did actual work on deplatforming fascists).
But other than that it is an apt description of their behaviour here and why they pose such a problem for lemmy in general.
Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don’t know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear’s side there was a thread to discuss it.
Thank you for being one of only two people in this thread that actually answered the question.
Fuck the tankies over at Hexbear
Sucks for you guys. They caused nothing but trouble when they were still federated with Blahaj.
After so many of us complained about how they were being dicks and many on the instance weren’t feeling comfortable, hexbear decided to defederate from us first since they somehow said it wasn’t safe for their LGBT members to be on it.
Funny enough a few days later a new account started posting across different lemmy instances for days about how the Blahaj instance was anti trans and that the admin was too. Our Admin is openly trans :/
The whole argument started because the user said everything had to be political and wouldn’t stop insulting others who said they didn’t want to have every post on Blahaj to turn political.
It was just too perfect timing how a few days after hexbear defedarated for somehow saying the pro LGBT instance was anti-LGBT, that we got a brand new account attacking trans members while sayin they were anti-trans.
Enjoy your new people.
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Supporting authoritative regimes with horrible track records of human rights abuse and an absolute zero tolerance to criticism doesn’t make you progressive or edgy.
It makes you a cunt and you are not getting downvoted because you are right.
Tankie culture is a fucking disease.
Oh for fuck sake. Which of many record atrocities do you want me to point out?
The Red Terror? 100k - 1.3m killed. The First De-Cossackization? 10k killed, 500k deported. Chinese land reform? 1-4m killed.
And the list goes on and on. The Soviet Union and The CCP are a bunch of filthy fucking thugs and genocidal maniacs.
Don’t fucking act like these are not well know by the world you fucking boot licking tankie fanboy.
Now fuck off you degenerate.
So, no response to the actual question of the thread, just whining and complaining on your part.
That’s because they just put your (our) instance on their whitelist, you’ll start seeing their comments and discussion as of Sept 1st around 6pm East.
So sad that they removed that Moscow time clock from the front page. Was so easy to tell when the posting shifts started then.
I’m going to try give this nonsense a serious response, even though it’s not worth it. That’s actually one of the times hexbear is the most inactive. Our userbase is majority American, and is more active during daytime in the US.
I know this because I’ve used hexbear in the mornings in my timezone (CAT) which is usually an hour behind MSK, and the website is completely dead. Only a few European users active.
Fuckin hit the nail on the head with this one. I run in a lot of leftist communities there are always tankies, but honest to God that shit doesn’t come up unless you seek it out.
Hexbear is a whole ass community of people not some kind of weird ideological monolith populated with people who spend their whole day harassing others.
On top of that I haven’t even seen them do anything that wild?? There is NO WAY that this whole drama could possibly be in good faith. The outrage FAR outweighs any evidence of foul play.
Like it’s the internet if you go into a discussion about politics expect it to get fuckin heated and don’t run crying about defederating bc someone hurt your feelings.
No one is seeking you out and making you spill your politics publicly so they can bully you for not being a marxist-lenninist-maoist-purist I fuckin promise dude.
The level of pearl clutching I’ve been seeing about hexbear since I joined Lemmy is ASTOUNDING and mad counter productive if we’re trying to make the fediverse work.
I had some conversations here. They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy, Russia is totally justified in Ukraine, and China isn’t doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Sure those are only ideological differences, but they are really big ones.
Russia is totally justified in Ukraine
Nobody said any such thing.
China isn’t doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Not anymore no. They were running re-education centres that had mandatory stayover Mon-Fri, return home on weekends. Those all closed literally 2 years ago now but liberals still scream about it.
They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy
DPRK positions are generally quite critical and measured when it’s socialists discussing with other socialists. However when a liberal comes in with all their propaganda and brainworms though you get the unironic stanning because it’s practically a waste of time having the conversation. If you wanted the measured and mature conversation about it you’d first have to demonstrate genuine willingness to learn and engage with intent to learn, most liberals are incapable of this and want to talk about haircuts or how the entire country is somehow one big play pretend show put on purely for white western liberals and actually things are so bad because they unironically believe the propaganda from defectors making up absurd stories like they have to push the trains because you lot actively want to believe anything you’re told.
I’d have the measured conversation about it, but I seriously do not think your response to this will be mature or academic enough for it.
Sure those are only ideological differences, but they are really big ones.
Socialists are much further away from you than you are away from republicans. We know this. We point it out regularly.
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I mentioned to a different commenter, but I’ll copy here. I guess justified might be stretching it, since some people were saying morality and justice were useless to try and apply to nations. I guess that would be defending the amorality of Russia?
Oh hey! You never got back to me on whether you felt that the discussion we had exposed some more nuance on the subject of the war in Ukraine, I assumed you must have gone to sleep or something. But I was really enjoying our discussion and was genuinely curious if you felt it had been productive. Maybe you just wanted to argue with other people more, but it seemed like we were making progress.
For what it’s worth, I didn’t say Russia was justified, I said the war was bad and the US made decisions that lead to this situation. I’d appreciate it if you would represent me fairly. I certainly hope you’re representing everyone else fairly too, I didn’t really read the other discussions you were having.
I blocked all hexbear communities after last night, sorry for not getting back to you. There were just to many conversations going on at once.
Yeah I don’t think yours were the most wrong takes on Russia out there. I can’t see them now though since I blocked the community. I guess justified might be stretching it, since some people were saying morality and justice were useless to try and apply to nations. I guess that would be defending the amorality of Russia?
I’ve seen plenty misbehaving, but I have seen a lot more complaining about them. I’ll see a heavily upvoted comment like “wow the hexbear tankies are out in force today” and I’ll scour the thread to find one heavily dowmvoted comment of that pig picture emote. The whining has gotten far more irritating.
I wouldn’t take that as representative of the site as a whole. My guess is that they were just ironically “misbehaving” since the person they were replying to said they haven’t seen a Hexbear user misbehaving, but I could be wrong since we’re not a monolith in our thought processes or posting habits.
