I don’t care who you support, this would be a bad and biased source
It’s also the only source that publishes. Oryx documentation indicates direct photographic evidence for 50% of the numbers listed here and when you consider that most Russian losses are in areas not easily photographed by civilians this is a strong indicator these reports have some basis in reality. That said, I agree these numbers should absolutely be taken with a grain of salt.
the source (UA general staff) is obviously biased, yes, but we don’t know how good or bad it is yet
here’s the original source (yes it’s facebook): https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid029Hp57mafK62hrb2gQMqQfL8inL45TErQCHSSQWgsBBGvLQZGW7u275LDutt7QZpJl
I’m deleting this comment, what I thought was just an observation seemed to upset instead.
That’s a great point. War is so stupid. I bet the collateral numbers from this war will also be depressing
You mean where the US and it’s allies, with air superiority, carpet bombed the fuck out of civilian centres? Who’d have thought those school children and families cooking their supper wouldn’t put up much of a fight?
How many people did the US lose in Vietnam or Korea? How many soldiers has it lost in Ukraine, even?
Fair enough. I didn’t think my comment would incense so many people. I just think it’s interesting how Americans think of war when they really have no concept of all-out war like is happening in Ukraine. That’s all I was trying to convey
Ah, in that case, I apologise and we’re in agreement. I construed it as saying the opposite, that the US wins wars without many casualties (relatively speaking) because it’s superior rather than because it learned in Vietnam that it can’t win conventional wars and so now only targets places that can’t really fight back.
I’m afraid that you may have walked into an in ongoing discussion as to whether the US military and NATO are forces for good or are particularly good at what they claim to do. People who dislike NATO and US imperialism can get a bit critical. You can’t win though, because now the USians who ‘have no [real] concept of all-out war’ will be around to get you from the other side. 😬
Maybe it is because the US invaded a third world country to steal their resources and destabilize it politically and economically in assimetrical warfare and here it a world power against NATO? 🤔
I absolutely LOVE how you’re shitting on Americam imperialism here, when Russia is doing the exact same thing you’re complaining about? You know, the whole invading Ukraine to steal their resources and destabilize it politically thing, or is it OK when the country is next door instead? 🙂
Russia should continue to be glad they aren’t actually fighting NATO yet, they can hardly beat the Ukrainians as it is.
Out of curiosity, have you read any of the following authors’ works on imperialism, empire, or the development of capitalism? Hobson, Hilferding, Lenin, David Harvey, John Smith, Michael Hudson, Zac Cope, Anievas and Nisancioglu, Samir Amin? If not, what have you read? Maybe Giovanni Arrighi, Paul Kennedy, or Niall Ferguson? I’m not saying this as a rhetorical ‘gotcha’. I’m curious as to how you define imperialism.
Russia should continue to be glad they aren’t actually fighting NATO yet, they can hardly beat the Ukrainians as it is.
I have three questions.
- At what threshold of involvement can it be said that NATO is involved?
- What’s NATO’s excuse for Afghanistan or almost any of its other wars against third world countries? I use scare quotes here because while it usually fails to achieve it’s surface-level, publicly-stated aims, I don’t think it did ‘fail’ in it’s real goals. That is, it’s impossible to fail by participating in a war when the point of the war is merely to participate in war to make profits for the MIC.
- If Russia’s stated aims are demilitarisation and denazification, what does ‘beating Ukraine’ look like? I.e. are you judging Russia’s success or failure according to metrics in which it has no interest?
The invasion of Ukraine cannot be compared in terms of war crimes to what the US did in West Asia, have you heard of Operation Awe and Shock? I’m not saying that what Russia is doing is perfectly fine, my point is that you all people sound crickets when it’s about a non-white, non-imperial core country, you give a fuck, you are just paying attention to this because Russia has been made enemy number 1 of the West during the last hundred years. You don’t give a fuck about Hawai’ian independence, you don’t give a fuck about a Puerto Rican independence, you don’t give a fuck about any of the West colonies. When you all people really get a grip of reality and can manage to evaluate everything as equals then a real conversation can happen around the current events in Ukraine, otherwise it’s just you all excusing about the West atrocities and saying it’s not so bad but making a lot of noise when this shit happens.
How are they not fighting NATO if NATO trains soldiers, provides weapons, provides support, money and basically everything? What does fighting NATO looks like, then? Because as far as I know it’s the same. What’s the difference, the US goes thermonuclear and eliminates the human race with nukes, is that fighting NATO enough?
Bad diagram: The comparison period is missing. Is it ± vs yesterday, vs last month, vs last year? Nobody knows and thats why the deltas are meaningless.
32 arty, that’s pretty good.
The diagram is roughly, all Russian losses since the start of invasion
