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This is quite rich for China to ask while constantly complaining about being victimized by Japan during WWII while not a peep has come out of them about the shaming they suffered during Opium wars when western nations effectively carved up China to spheres of influence. Not to mention the seizing of neighbor’s islands and territories through force while proclaiming it as theirs because an insane Chinese monarch once sent out a bunch of rickety boats into the seas centuries ago. I suggest Chinese tidy up their over-all diplomatic messaging and strategy first.

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not a peep has come out of them about the shaming they suffered during Opium wars when western nations effectively carved up China to spheres of influence

The century of humiliation is something that is mentioned by the Chinese government a lot, I’m not sure what you meant by this.

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Are you saying China benefited from the Opium Wars?

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Oh good, the obligate Lemmy tankies are here.

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That would make about as much sense as criticising China for complaining about what Japan did to it in the past.

Luckily westerners never talk about WWII and what the Nazis did. No films, no books, no memorials. It’s like none of it ever happened. Good thing, too; imagine how embarrassed you’d be to try to work in good faith with people you’ve been at war with after spending years funding them.

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Far from not a peep, China mention their “unequal treaties” and the “century if humiliation” a lot, it’s a rallying cry and something they would definitely use to bolster the case they’re making here. What did you mean by this?

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while not a peep has come out of them about the shaming they suffered during Opium wars when western nations effectively carved up China to spheres of influence

This is the underlying reason why they don’t like or trust the west. It’s pretty much their whole MO and why they think Japan and South Korea will rally with them.

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If you’re talking about Zheng He and his fleet, those boats were not rickety. It was an impressive fleet. That said, that doesn’t magically give their claims in the South China Sea any more credence than arguing the British still have a rightful claim over Ireland.

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Petulant child picking up fights with every neighbor, claiming he owns everyone’s toys and breakfast, behaving like the natural state of the world is to revolve around himself, sports a surprised Pikachu face when said neighbors decide to go to the movie together.

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If China is Democratic and less invasive, then yes.

Edit: I don’t know what CCP sympathisers are trying to prove by trolling. They have to prove themselves to Japan, South Korea, South East Asia not to some random Internet person 😂

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China is already a democratic and peaceful civilization.

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Holy shit

It’s neither of those things, at all.

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Nuh uh. It’s both of them. Name one embassy China has bombed in the past 30 years.

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The PRC believes in the democratic value of “one man, one vote”. Xi Jinpooh is The Man, so he gets The Vote. See, perfectly democratic!

/s in case anyone is an idiot

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The West is so fucked. No more Petro Dollar, not enough time for a working CDBC (I think?), its civilization has been forcefully separated into small individualized groups that are no longer capable of speaking to each other or feeling compassion for each other, capitalist vultures just waiting to profit off of the collapse, politicians are paid, putting on a show, geriatric millionaires are reliving 80s straight to TV political thrillers on cheap stages. Europe is too dependant on the US, the Ukraine war is a meat grinder proxy war. Protests are erupting in France, Switzerland, Belgium and I suspect that’s not the last we’re going to see of mass protests and police brutality in Europe. Meanwhile Western governments are headed to become more authoritarian to stay in power unless Europe turns away from transatlantic submission to face the reality of a multipolar order. I worry there will be lots of conflict from this because certain people want to stay in power. (Not a dog whistle in any specific direction.)

BRICS is happening. Africa is rising up to flight Western economic colonialism by demanding fair treatment. The current global economic system leads to rising nationalism, people no longer raising kids, social systems failing, slave labor in poor countries, religious radicalism and unnecessary culture clashes (fixable, if anyone in charge actually gave a fuck about proper integration with dignity).

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I should add that I’m in no way underestimating authoritarian imperialist ambitions of Russia/China as another source for danger to freedom.

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I should add that I’m in no way underestimating authoritarian imperialist ambitions of Russia/China as another source for danger to freedom.

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China doesn’t have any imperialist ambitions so don’t worry about it.

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You’re free to keep bathing yourself in ignorance. Hope it’s comfy.

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The western civilization is going to collapse aaaaany moment now… just waaait for it… (1000 years later)… aaaany moment now…

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Africa demanding fair treatment by moving closer with China? Good luck with that

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Yeah, these African politicians are of cause all stupid and just sold their souls to China instead of the USA. That must be it. :)

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Kiiiiinda hard for South Korea to hear that with a straight face, considering China sided with NK pretty significantly in the Korean War and considers NK an ally (or at least definitely within their sphere of influence) to this day.

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lol yeah that too! Chinese provided the millions of troops to the North for the invasion didn’t they. And are sustaining the North Korean regime economically to this day.

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The Americans in charge will cope and seethe, but they’ll understand.

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I bet they’re hoping that China doesn’t remind anyone that the US purposely tanked the Japanese and Korean economies fairly recently.

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