Nice job cherry picking some random CIA document! Btw, it’s from 1983, thirty years after Stalin died. You made an honest mistake, I’m sure.
Stalin used starvation as weapon quite effectively. 4-5 miillion died in the 1930s, mostly Ukrainians.
More Kahazkhs died in those famines than Ukrainians but nobody talks about that because the CIA hasn’t been funding Kazakh Nazis for the better part of a century
Stalin used starvation as weapon quite effectively.
The idea that Stalin intentionally committed genocide in Ukraine is literal Nazi propaganda that was in turn pushed by right-wing groups in the US. Great article on it here:
It may not be sheer coincidence that faminology took wing just after the OSI was commissioned in 1979. For here was a way to rehabilitate fascism- — to prove that Ukrainian collaborators were helpless victims, caught between the rock of Hitler and Stalin’s hard place. To wit, this bit of psycho-journalism from the 33 March 24 Washington Post, in a story on accused war criminal John “Ivan the Terrible” Demjanjuk: “The pivotal event in Demjanjuk’s childhood was the great famine of the early 1930s, conceived by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin as a way of destroying the independent Ukrainian peasantry … Several members of [Demjanjuk’s] family died in the catastrophe.”
Coupled with the old nationalist canard of “Judeo-Bolshevism,” faminology could help justify anti-Semitism, collaboration, even genocide. An eye for an eye; a Nazi holocaust in return for a “Jewish famine.”
Just as the Nazis used the OUN for their own ends, so has Reagan exploited the famine, from his purple-prosed commemoration of “this callous act” to his backing of the Mace commission. Faced with failing fascist allies around the world, from Nicaragua to South Africa, the U.S. war lobby needs to boost anti-Communism as never before. Public enthusiasm to fight for the contras will not come easy. But if people could be convinced that Communism is worse than fascism; that Stalin was an insane monster, even worse than Hitler; that the seven million died in more unspeakable agony than the six million …. Well, we just might be set up for the next Gulf of Tonkin. One cannot appease an Evil Empire, after all.
The article is from 1988 by the way, in case you were wondering about the reference to the Contras.
If it’s all Reagan’s fault, why did this cherry-picked post say the Soviets were being well fed in 1983?
You should take a look at this infographic. It answers all of your questions.
I mean, no one’s gonna post a 30 page paper from a social science journal in the memes comm.
If you’d like a more nuanced discussion, you’re welcome to read The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931–1933 by Davies and Wheatcroft (arguably the most detailed scholarly study and account of the Soviet Famine) and discuss it with the site on the literature or askchapo comms.
What a powerful argument, clearly 35 years later this article has pushed countless others to uncover the truth behind the Ukrainian famines.
Or, perhaps if the Holodomor is still recognized as a man-made famine, that this article’s author is mistaken.
So much for Stalin’s citizenry having enough to eat.
Did someone allege genocide?
Prisoners in the United States jumped from 120,284 in 1923 to 210,418 in 1933. (Source (p. 210))
Executions increased to 197, the highest number in US history, in 1935. (Source)
The U.S. forcibly deported one million of its own citizens to Mexico in the 1930s. Source
Since you’re probably using an intentionally ridiculous US estimate, I’ll use an intentionally ridiculous Russian estimate and say that seven million people died from the Great Depression. This Russian estimate uses the same intentionally ridiculous methodology of the U.S. one.
Put together, why isn’t this enough to declare that a genocide happened in the U.S.?
Publication Date: January 8, 1983
I actually agree with you that this is not that great of a source. It debunks the claim that the USSR starved its people in general but does not show the time of Stalin. There are of course many comrades here who can point to how Stalin didn’t starve the USSR either, but the point still stands.
If a communist state in 1980s didn’t starve their people then it follows that socialism without starvation is possible. The starvation argument isn’t done cause liberals care about victims - they don’t really - they care about denying the viability of socialist projects. When even the Soviet Union with all its falls was able to do achieve what the CIA did show, then this means the socialist project is viable and could work in various versions.
This is the real point here.
Tf? I can barely eat 2000 Cal a day. How do people eat that much
Your stomach and throat can stretch quite a bit over time. And overeating regularly affects the production of the hormone which tells you you’re full, especially when you’re eating processed bullshit that’s scientifically curated to make you want more food. The mechanisms our bodies have for regulation of caloric intake were really not balanced for the modern American diet. American kids who are genetically predisposed to obesity need to try way harder to avoid it than the average human. We stuff so much goddamn sugar in literally everything. Why is our regular bread so sweet? And once obesity sets in, the feedback mechanisms get really difficult to counteract. Shit sucks.
Edit: forgot to mention that some people just have a crazy high RMR and can eat that and much more without gaining much weight. Shit’s wild, but the flip side of that is that a lot of parents of kids with high metabolisms get side eyed like they’re starving their kids because they’re not gaining weight.
Honestly though how the fuck do people eat 3500 calories a day, are you just eating all day long? I can barely force myself to break 2000.
Without seeing how they arrived at those numbers, I’m going to assume they aren’t accounting for food waste. They might be using food “sold/purchased.”
i do 3000 calories of cardio a week and find it hard to eat only 2k. I started counting my calories about half a year ago and I was eating 3k/day. I cut it down to 2k and tried to make better diet choices and lost about 30 lbs, but I’m really fricking hungry all the time due to how much I exercise.
