We really shouldn’t take this Meta thing lightly.
They could offer the slickest interface and keep people locked to their friends. That interface can use protocols that make it difficult/impossible for non-Threads instances to play ball (ooh this cool new feature is only available through the Threads app; Oh, mybasement.world.ml.xyz can’t read that content). There are many ways to Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish, we’ve seen Meta do it before (e.g. XMPP), and I’m sure we haven’t even thought of some ways Threads could EEE.
I think defederation from Meta’s instances is probably our only option to protect what we have.
From their FAQ
Wasn’t XMPP EEE’d by Google? Not to say that Meta is any better of course
@CrazyDuck @confluence ahoy!
No, I don’t think so? As far as I can tell all extensions were public, in particular Jingle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)
Disclosure: I worked on gTalk towards the end of its lifetime and was the person responsible for (sadly) turning down federation.
Do you remember/are at liberty to elaborate on the reasoning and course of events at the time that lead to defederating?
@CrazyDuck Yes, I believe so :) Of course this is just how I remember it, it reflects my opinions and not of my employer’s, etc.
From my rough memory, around the time this happened in 2013 the following was true:
- Federation was considered to be already languishing due to relatively little usage aside from big instances like AOL (who were going down in any case). Actual people running their own individual/community instances were relatively few, and a significant fraction were spammers :(
essentially, yes. Google Talk was based on XMPP.
I think there should be an alliance of instances that defederate from any instance that federates with Meta.
It already exists: https://fedipact.online/
They pledge to defederate from Meta, I’d go one step further and defederate from any instance that federates with Meta.
I don’t understand all the excitement, did you per chance read this?
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
I’ll admit I checked it out just to see. Then I realized I actually don’t know anybody who still uses Instagram and I didn’t know what to talk about anyway, so I deleted it and blocked them from my instance.
Are they federated to lemmy alreasdy?
