Apple forced to ditch iPhone lightning charger::Apple confirms new iPhone 15 will have a common USB-C charging port after EU forces it into the change.

110 points

Thank fuck, the lightning charger is hot dogshit, IMO. Th lack of compatibility of iphone is annoying, particularly around how 3rd party charging cords won’t work with their products sometimes.

I had an iphone for over a decade, and finally switched to android. It suits me better. I spend a lot less time thinking ‘i should be able to do this’ and looking for a workaround

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Yeah the lightning charger in my experience immediately breaks when I put it in any position it just doesn’t like.

Edit: should clarify I use an Android now

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14 points

You’ll feel right at home with usb-c then. I use both every day and, honestly, they both suck.

But with Usb-c you get Power Delivery which kicks the shit out of old 5v 2a nonsense

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I always feel like usbc could just flip out at any moment. I like the lightning connector better in that regard at least. Usbc just seems looser.

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6 points

A gorilla wrote this post

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14 points

I find usb-c generally better. faster charging, as you’ve pointed out. I find the connections usually a lot more secure too. I have one cord in my car for android auto that’s a finicky little bitch, though, and I’m about to yeet that thing, if I ever remember to replace it. All of my other cords have held up well, and it’s really nice to have the ability to charge all of my devices with one cord.

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7 points

Just curious why you think USB C sucks? I think it’s gotten to a mature point now with PD 3.0 or 3.1. I have 1 cable next to my bed that will charge my phone, headphones, laptop, tablet etc. No worrying at all.

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1 point

You can charge faster than 10W using Lightning to USB-C

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But with Usb-c you get Power Delivery

iPhones have supported the PD spec since 2017 (iPhone 8 and iPhone X), assuming the cable supports it (requiring USB-C to Lightning). Their big mistake was not shipping a PD-compatible charger and cable in the box, so very few users actually got one.

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3 points

I’ve only ever had one lightning charger break. Been using iPhones for a decade.

…I do electrical tape and heat shrink the ends, though. So they probably helps a little.

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Base model 15 will still only have usb 2.0 speeds.

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ok now im really curious, what are you plugging into your CELL PHONE that requires 10 gigabit?

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9 points

Obviously video. You must be an old fashion person that doesn’t record anything on their literally 4k HDR 60fps pocket camera. But I only back up all my stuff directly off my micro SD card because I don’t have 24h to empty all 128GB of it via USB 2.0.

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0 points

Anything that requires more than 53 MB/s.

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5 points

I had this question as well. I don’t think I’ve physically plugged my iPhone 11 in for data/photo/video syncing since I got it. Everything is super fast over wifi, there’s no reason for a cord. Only thing I use the port for is charging and sometimes audio. I’d probably have been fine if they dropped the port, but I’m happy they kept it for now.

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You’d be surprised how much vlogging and videography is performed with iPhones. Even LMG use one for GameLinked

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48 points

Reminder:
usb 2 is a 2001 standard

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7 points

Apple sure is innovating

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1 point

It’s because apple hasn’t released usb3.0 specs as a new invention yet.

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1 point

The Pro version does have it.

Everything to push people into buying even more expensive shit, right?

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The base 15 has the processor from the 14 pro, which does not have the USB 3.0 controller on it.

Just like the base 14 had the processor from the 13 pro …and the base 13 had the processor from the 12 pro

you get the idea.

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1 point

Charger compatibility is a big thing. Back in the ancient days, sales men used to tell me to buy a Nokia phone because everyone had a Nokia charger at home. If you bought an Ericsson or Siemens, nobody could help you if you ran out of battery.

Well that didn’t last forever, since Nokia eventually decided to switch to a slim connection, but before that the compatibility was really good.

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9 points

Only good thing about Lightning was the connector itself, but USB-C is a much needed improvement. The speed thing though, that gets me, especially when non-flagship devices aren’t limited to 2.x speeds.

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I commented on a similar sentiment in a different thread, but I think this (Apple being forced) is the wrong take.

There really hasn’t been a question of whether or not they were moving to USB-C for at least 6 months. The only question was whether it would be thunderbolt or not, and it isn’t. The narrative was always that they’d keep lightning for 10 years and then move to something new, Schiller even called it “a modern connector for the next decade” when it was announced, and at the time it was better than anything else on the market.

Now USB-C is the standard and superior, and it’s cheaper to bring the iPhone in line with that standard than to keep lightning or develop a new port/connector. As soon as the iPads went USB-C (5 years ago and well before EU regs) it was a foregone conclusion that the iPhone would follow suit, and anyone who was paying attention should have known it would happen this year, 10 years after lightning was introduced as a 10 year plan.

Regulations didn’t make Apple change. A viable standard that met their requirements did. And, Apple doesn’t need to develop this which saves them money, and they’ll still sell cables at a premium just like they do now. Apple doesn’t need a proprietary cable, they only need their brand which has massive loyalty.

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22 points

Regulations didn’t make Apple change. A viable standard that met their requirements did.

I call bullshit.

USB-C has been around and better than Lightning for a long time, they didn’t switch the iPhone to it until they were under pressure by regulators to do so.

If your theory were valid they would have switched many years ago.

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If you’re right, why did they switch iPad to USBC 5 years ago?

If they were SO invested in lighting and against USBC, they would have kept iPad on lighting as well.

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4 points

If you’re right then why did they wait 5 generations of phones before switching them to USB-C (also after EU created regulations specifically targeting them) if they already knew it was superior and used it on the iPad? A “10 year plan” is a bit of a joke when it comes to tech and the pace of development.

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11 points

Apple had no choice with the ipad. USB-C connectors can push out more power than standard A-B busses. It, as a default, has a fast charging option that can handle 3.0A of current. The USB A/B spec, maxes at 2.4A.

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Apple absolutely changed because of regulation. Just like how they were forced to provide 2 year warranty in EU because of consumer protection laws, a decision they tried to fight until the very end because then they couldn’t sell you extended warranty easily. Apple will always do the absolute minimum of effort for the maximum of income. ALWAYS!

Just like how they instead of fixing the issue with nVidia GPUs back in the day and using a correct solder compound, they instead glued a piece of rubber on top of the chip so laptop case pushes on the chip to make the contact. Far cheaper than reworking the board.

Or how they removed a single drop of adhesive from the touchscreen chip on one of their iPhone Max series to save money which resulted in chip getting torn off of board because of cheaper aluminum as well. Pennies worth of saving money at the cost of quality user’s got for their money.

I mean I could go on pretty much year by year. Oh and also iPad went USB-C route because of USB PD which can push more than 3A current while charging, something lightning can’t do but is needed for bigger battery, same reason laptops have it. It’s just with lightning port they can up-sell overly expensive cables and you don’t have a choice. With Apple it’s all about money. ALWAYS!

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If Apple was going to change on their own, the regulation wouldn’t have been made in the first place.

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good headline, apple was “forced”

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But they didn’t, because it would cut into their profits.

That is the only reason proprietary ports are created.

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Why? What can lightening do that USB can’t? Is there anything even slightly better about the way lightening connectors are manufactured or used?

USB has been the world’s standard for connectivity and powering for decades and lightening was nothing more than an attempt to keep customers in the “ecosystem”.

The amount of lightening connectors I’ve seen taped up is shocking, you never see that with USB.

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1 point

Lightning is fucking outdated and very slow.

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Good. Fucking lightning with it’s fucking USB 2.0-ass interface.

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4 points

And they still managed to cripple it with only 10 Gbps. Not even the “Pro” has USB4.

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what on earth are you doing on your phone…. hell… what is ANYONE doing on their phone that even comes close to using 10gbps?!

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