78 points

Didn’t it turn out MJ wasn’t actually a sex pest 🤔 ?

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Yeah. The kids came out later and talked about how their parents pressured them into making shit up. Iirc they said he was a weird guy, but he never touched them inappropriately. It was too late at that point though. People had already made up their minds and the response was generally, “well, but I’m sure he has. Just 'cause they weren’t molested doesn’t mean he didn’t molest other kids. He seems like a kid molester.”

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64 points

In the court of public vibe check he was guilty regardless of what actually happened. Poor dude’s life was tragic. I’m not normally one to feel a whole lot of sympathy for the mega rich, but MJ was a good one.

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Yeah. From what I’ve heard his brain was either kinda stuck in “child mode” or it easily reverted to it due to the trauma and abuse he received growing up. He could act like an adult if he had to, but he was a child pretending to be an adult so to speak. A lot of his life was the result of trying to experience a childhood he didn’t get to have as a result of being in the Jackson 5.

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23 points

He did bring a llama to a studio session with Freddie Mercury though.

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I think it helps that he wasn’t mega rich from his own wishes. His dad forced him to perform until he got mega rich.

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Not all of his accusers recanted, and his personal computer had a ton of cp on it. That detail was excluded from trial for being prejudicial, and thus didn’t make headlines at the time.

So yeah, there were probably some parents who sold their kids, and other parents who coached their kids to inflate their accusations, and some kids who got molested. It’s likely some of the accusations weren’t true, but it’s also entirely unlikely that he was completely innocent.

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I looked into this and what I found waaaass:

A) the prosecution’s case was leakier than a screen door on a submarine. Most of the witnesses had prior grievances against Jackson, had sold stories to tabloids instead of the police, claimed to be in impossible situations (for an example, Star Arvizo claimed to have been shown pornography that hadn’t been published until after the accusations; Janet Arvizo claimed to have been held hostage, but receipts showed she’d spent $7,000 shopping and dining out during that time), or straight up went against the prosecution and claimed the prosecution was lying.

B) the defense had hundreds of people (staff, celebrities, friends, visitors) who’d either spent time at Neverland Ranch with Jackson and/or knew him outside of the ranch, all of whom were ready to testify that they’d never witnessed any wrongdoing on Jackson’s part (though several staff members had said Star and Gavin Arvizo were horrible children, one of the staff members in particular had been threatened with a knife). Additionally, several celebrities acted as witnesses specifically against the prosecution, such as George Lopez and Jay Leno, alleging that the claimants had previously attempted to extort them for money and that they had tried to warn Jackson about the Arvizo family.

C) on the case of the child pornography. There was none. The FBI raided his house and supposedly found normal pornography, but no child pornography. However, the media claimed it was child pornography (so you’re wrong about it not making headlines). Additionally, the FBI had already been monitoring him since 1992 due to creditable death threats being made against him, and during over 10yrs of monitoring, they’d never once found any evidence of wrongdoing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_files_on_Michael_Jackson

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5 points

Holy shit did it? You got a link to news or something on this?

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45 points

I think he was never a sex pest, but was just absolutely fucking crazy.

It actually seems like he was having platonic, stunted mind sleepovers with children, literally to live out a childhood he desperately wanted.

Is that appropriate? Probably not.

Is it a crime? Apparently also no.

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25 points

Not taking sides, but he cleared out a grocery store and paid people to pretend they were random shoppers just so he could have that normal experience.

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I really don’t know and haven’t followed any of it very closely. But his music is top shelf.

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7 points

I would like to think that he wasn’t, but it’s undeniable that either way it was creepy what he was doing.

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6 points

It made sense to me when someone said everything he did was because he was basically robbed of childhood and made to perform for a living since he was like 7

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2 points

That’s what my dad said.

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-4 points

Where’s the proof? Last I heard there were thre same accusations by the same person who has been proven to be a liar. The actual abused kids in Hollywood say he wasn’t a pedo, so it’s hard for me to believe that one kid with his scammer mom.

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3 points

I feel like this entire thread forgot about the closet

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11 points

Those claims are incredibly misleading. It’s all in the court cases submitted as evidence, the pornography he had was not CP was not illegal to own. The sole reference in the article you linked isn’t even online anymore, and other instances claiming this are tabloid sites like Daily Mail, etc.

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7 points

Big if true. Thought that last few sentences threw me off, when the prosecutor states factually that the material was used for grooming, where did she get that info?

In any case, he’s got such a mysterious story, since kids life Corey Feldman and McCauley who actually were abused by many, say that MJ was not an abuser. Yet he’s got a closet with child porn, so I don’t know what’s going on with the guy

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-6 points

Yeah, this is some ironically white washed history. Dude was NOT a good man. Was that due to his abuse as a child? Maybe, but that doesn’t matter once you become an adult and have to be responsible for your own actions.

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I’m so confused. I came to comments for clarification and just found the same as always: a mish mash of conflicting unsubstantiated accounts. To this day I don’t know what is true about all this

Edit: okay a quick search came up with Wikipedia article talking about FBI investigations into all this. According to the FBI, which confiscated hard drives and did multiple investigations, MJ was never found to have searched for or have possession of CP. idk how much we trust them in general, but that’s what they said

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I’d believe that either way, honestly. I wouldn’t be surprised if he rarely used computers.

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11 points

I thought the assistant had said that Michael Jackson had already died. I completely missed the “other option”.

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I like this interpretation better

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