Think about it; instead of those in charge or the instances deciding who they don’t want to be federated with and thus restricting content for the users, it would be better if users were able to block entire instances instead.

We’d be able to curate our own browsing experience so much better without admin/mod drama influencing the rest of us.

Edit: Alright so maybe not exactly replace defederation, but it should still be an option available to us, and in general should become the default action before defederation IMHO.

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Probably for the major instances that are raking in donations sure, there’s tons of instances riddled with csam, loli, extreme bigotry though and who the hell wants that stuff on their storage?

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And you’d be free to block those instances as you wish.

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I’m talking about the people running the instances? Just keep storing all the child porn?

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Those aren’t even close to being relevant to this discussion.

You’re being mad at something completely different.

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listen, imagine a world where random people don’t roll up on beehaw and tell them how to run their shit. just imagine!

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Sounds like this whole Federation thing is going well huh

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I don’t like your idea because it defeats the purpose of picking an instance (and you could just run your own if you want to be in control) but yeah that was uncalled for. If this is the attitude of the instance maybe they should just defed. (If restricting posting isn’t possible.)

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their taking issue with your behaviour as an individual is not actually the same as taking issue with federation as a whole

coming to beehaws chat community to talk about the virtues of changing the federation policy, as someone that will barely be affected by beehaw changing their federation policy, gives off bad vibes

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Then you fundamentally don’t agree with the principles behind federation, and the fediverse might not be for you. It’s funny that you are mad and “want to curate your own browsing experience”, but aren’t willing to put in the effort to run a simple script (https://github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate), pick an instance or a few that match your stance (they’re out there and much more common than the niche Beehaw serves), or start your own instance.

Do you know how much effort being federated with spam factories / outrage machines generates for the mods and admins? When you depend on individual blocking, you get to click and forget about every bad actor or community. You don’t see the ongoing hours that mods and admins have to pour in to dealing with that actor or community as they keep spitting out garbage.

Also, good thing you’re on a very unlocked instance then. If you’re mad about your instance doing whatever, then take it up with your admins, not Beehaw. Beehaw is a uniquely curated instance primarily intended to serve as a space where queer people don’t have to get bombarded with non-queer people being ignorant. We deal with that enough in real life.

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It’s honestly more about the reddit-like drama it seems to create.

Funnily enough, this post kind of does the same and I am well aware of the irony in that.

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Is that the fault of the admins, trying to stem a tide of reports and problems, or is that the fault of some users, not being willing to open a second tab in their browser? It sucks to have to maintain different accounts, but it’s a lot less deleterious than the alternative.

I think if there were strong mod tools, your argument would make more sense (though I’d probably still disagree), but especially with the utter lack of mod tools, it just isn’t feasible.

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This is like, my fourth account on Lemmy. Had to switch instances several times because they were defederating too much and I couldn’t get an unbiased all feed.

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I couldn’t get an unbiased all feed.

Lemmy would crash if you fed it everything, that’s why Lemmy.ml and lemmy.world were crashing so often since May, the SQL did not scale. Some of those problems have been fixed, but it was performing really badly at the time of the Reddit API cutoff.

The admin headaches of a full feed from over a thousand unknown sources means you are opening yourself up to a lot of legal, copyright, porn, vote manipulation, unpredictable load surges, etc. I think it would have to be something people fund a lemmy site that promises to carry everything.

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Blahaj.zone defederated from all tankies and they defederated from lemmynsfw over child porn for hosting… “adorableporn”

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Yeah the whole instance is essentially one trans person’s safe space. Nothing wrong with that, there certainly should be such communities, but for the reasons you mentioned it is not a good instance to choose unless you are specifically looking for a heavily moderated trans community.

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Trans people shouldn’t have to corral themselves away in trans-specific communities. They’re part of the wider community, just like anyone else & deserve safety within that.

It really isn’t hard for the rest of us to refuse to tolerate transphobia, whether or not there are trans people in the vicinity.

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Nothing in what I said has anything to do about being a trans safe space

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I don’t think it should replace it but it should be an option.

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Seems to be the general concensus

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