New thing bad!!1!
This is the same argument people use against vaccines.
New thing could become mandatory in a future and give governments direct access to our eyes, thoughts, hearing…
Smart phone tracking would become a joke in comparison.
Do you always take things way further then they’ll ever go? It’s pretty much blatant flanderazation at this point.
further then they’ll ever go?
It may or not may happpen, but there’s a potential.
We could also all be living under a social credit score system like in China, but most of us aren’t. Just because something could become our reality, doesn’t mean we should avoid all progress in that field.
But Smartphones are tracked and hacked by governments. And it is legal in most cases. And people are killed by governments.
The thing is, vaccines work pretty well, but letting some already corrupt asf corporation (or any entity) implant a microchip in your brain is obviously a bad idea. Please do a favor for yourself and the human race by sitting down for a few minutes and asking yourself: “what could go wrong?”.
As soon a company offers this shit I am in.
However I need proof that I am the owner and user of the chip. So if Apple would sell it I probably won’t buy it, because I wouldn’t own what I bought
Why not? Transhumanism is cool. It would take a lot of convincing for me to be sure that it is safe, but I also roll the dice every time I drive to work or take a pill so whatever.
Because this is all sci-fi woo woo and the honest truth is that we have no fucking clue how memory storage, learning, experience, or recollection actually mechanically work in the mind. At least relative to how an electronic device could interface with, let alone, augment or manipulate those mechanisms.
On top of that, our current system has proven time and again that you cannot trust an entity whose sole purpose for existence is to extract wealth from the resources around it (i.e. people). Not especially for something like this. It will need to be regulated, standardized, limited, and controlled by an external coalition.
Imagine an implant giving you the ability to speak a foreign language? Or code? Or whatever specialized knowledge?
If it was safe I would totally do it. But by that point specialised knowledge X would probably be worthless since anyone can get an implant.
If this were a thing, I would have wasted years of my life learning musical instruments and foreign languages. The reason those skills are rewarding to have is because you have to work for them. My skill levels in these things are a reflection of how I spend my time and who I am as a person. If that was just erased, and everyone could be good at everything, then I wouldn’t be anyone anymore.
Nobody fearmongering in this thread seems to have any idea how it works.
A brain chip would connect to a specific region of your brain. For example, in the case of a physical disability it would only need to connect to your motor neurons using read-only connectors.
If you specifically had them implant read/write connections into your visual cortex, then sure, someone could hack it and play ads in your head but that’s kind of on you at that point.
Also you don’t seem to either.
There is no such thing as a “read-only connector.” Electrical signals can go down a wire both ways. It is up to the manufacturer of the chip to decide what pins are read and write, which is up to the governing body to regulate and restrict.
Not to mention that we are 10-20 years out from that kind of tech as development has been drastically slowing down in general. The best we can do as humans so far with the funds we put into this is stimulate general areas with current pulses to essentially cover up or stimulate the area’s nervous response to relieve pain. We can’t even accurately measure brain signals yet with fine enough detail to do much more than control a direction. Though that is coming along better.
The other applications close to this are for controlling muscles for sleep apnea, limb motor skills, heart muscles, etc… and are even “easier” to control.
If the tech becomes available to effect the video and audio brain receptors directly and is owned by corporations, you can bet your sweet ass they will make everything read/write and blast that thing so full of ads and harvest every bit of data they can to make a profit.
Source: electronic engineer working in the implantable device medical field
Why couldn’t you build a “read only” connector? I mean sure, wires conduct both ways obviously, but diodes and other one-way conductors are a thing right?
The other point of only putting the implant in the place it’s needed and where it can’t make you see and hear things seems valid too.
I’m not saying there wouldn’t be other risks and issues with the whole thing, but I feel like the “they’ll put ads in your brain” thing is kind of a ridiculous fear.
No, because brain signals are so low voltage compared to silicon voltage thresholds that if you put a diode in to block outgoing signal, it would just reduce all incoming signal to noise. On an IC where there is very fine silicon property control it is probably possible though.
Let’s say that it is possible, it would still have to be implemented on the PCB or more likely, the IC itself. Guess who’s literal job it is to design and make all of the decisions on what is possible would be? The exact same people who would benefit financially from enabling that functionality and serving ads. The point of all of this is that there are 1000 ways to make that functionality not be available on the design, but the decision to make it available or not is made by the people who would earn a lot of money from it and benefit directly.
Every single major technology that has the ability to display ads eventually does, without fail. Every single one. Why would an implanted chip made by the same companies be any different?
Again, I think it will be a VERY long time before we have the sort of fine control and deep understanding of the brain to effectively control sight and sound. I think 20 years might have actually be generous and it might be 30-40 unless we hit a breakthrough in biological computing or something.
Until then, there would be absolutely nothing to worry about. Musty’s “brain chip” would never have this capability and would be much more likely in causing strokes than any other danger.
The problem is that if it is unquestioned, implemented, and normalized that “everyone has a brain chip” then, just like smart phones, they will slowly change until the tech does become available and maybe they just have an ad on startup, maybe they just have an ad here or there, until the entire thing just becomes a vehicle for ads like smartphones are now.
I’m sure something can be done to prevent outbound signals from the device.
Yes, something could be done… by the exact company who has a direct incentive to serve ads in the first place. Are you going to install a 2nd chip made to block outgoing signals in the 1st chip?
It will never ever be solved by trusting the company who designs it to do the right thing.
There is a long list of legit and or cook reasons to have a microchip in a brain. Controlling or assisting damaged brain structures, you can mitigate the symptoms.of Parkinsons, give vision to a blind person… but I also think the cool parts van be nice and probably are inevitable. Being able to communicate in your head, that sort of thing. I see it as something that will happen and people WILL do it.
Also, who do you think will make these chips? A fairy? Of course companies will (and already do) make them.
I think instead of screaming NONONO we should start thinking about what rules your any such companies to follow. Maybe have the design schematics be open source. A hard “off” button, somehow. A ban on ads and tracking (in combination with the hard off)
Yeah there are very start things possible, doesn’t mean it has to be like that
Yeah, what is this meme? Like I get Elon is a douche. But I mean where do people think deep brain simulation and things that help tons of people already come from? We even have implantable devices that can record seizures directly from the brain surface and generate electric impulses to disrupt them. Not to mention pacemakers, spinal cord stimulators, etc. All these things have quite a lot of regulatory hurdles before reaching market. Obviously want to make sure that framework stays strong so no dystopian nonsense down the line happens. Once we get to the level of consumer grade brainchips, then I’ll start to worry.
Even with consumer grade brain chips, the risk isn’t a bit thing until there is a direct interface and even then it’s a question of what it can interface with. And even then it’s a matter of good design. Some hardware off switch would be a basic requirement, but also software firewalling would be a very basic requirement.
Interfaces, if done right, should not have to be a dystopian future, we won’t become the Borg just bectof some implant somewhere
People should watch less tv.
Obviously want to make sure that framework stays strong so no dystopian nonsense down the line happens.
Ya, because that works with now with medicine…? I’m pretty sure legal frameworks are simply part of the dystopian plan.
the dystopian plan
You should watch less tv, do less internet, and go outside a bit more
Alright, we’ll just rip the implants keeping patients seizure free out of their heads and tell everyone with Parkinson’s sorry, brain implants have to be removed now, go back to being frozen. Saying we can’t use a technology because someone might do something bad with it someday could apply to literally any technology.
Or are you proposing getting rid of legal frameworks and regulation of medications would improve them somehow? Just let big pharma go realky wild? Strengthen our regulatory frameworks by all means, stop regulatory capture and all that, but an unbridled free for all with big pharma allowed to do, sell, and say whatever it wants about its products sounds horrific. I think you’re right to think the fda may have gotten a little too lenient with some approvals lately, but that’s an argument for stengthening the regulations not getting rid of them.
But yeah Elon isn’t allowed to sell this shit yet, and people have to elect to be involved in any trials. It’s their choice. If he ever tries to sell it, he’ll have to prove efficacy and safety. Without that regulatory framework he wouldn’t need to do even that, could just immediately launch it and lie about the capabilities a la tesla auto pilot, duping and killing a bunch of people likely.
Meh, I think the concept of interfacing directly with the brain is really interesting, I just don’t know if an Elon company is the one I want doing it.
Of course I’d rather have a brain interface that I didn’t have to implant though.
Even if it’s not Elon Musk. Do you want to have brain surgery every 2 years to implant a new chip because the old one is obsolete?
I’d be completely fine with a usb port in the back of my skull to update it /s
And now you need to replace usb-c with usb-d, unless you just bought an iPhone 30 then you need a thunderstorm cable (modeled after Steve Jobs dick).
If it was from Apple, you’d end up with all your body parts as dongles. Including, uh, your dongle.
No, the tech needs to be developed such that regular surgery is unnecessary.
I agree, but even if I did have to replace it, say, once a decade, it would make the surgery much more likely to be a success. When you can control the restriction of blood flow using the bodies own mechanisms, shut off the immune response within that area to remove rejection, and control the pain with targeted painkillers all automatically, the chances of dying on the table go away down. Not to mention the possible benefits of controlling your perspective of time, controlling emotions, having a perfect memory, being able to experience perfect VR, being able to remotely control machines, learning instantly via a download, automated control of replacement/additional limbs, and elimination of exhaustion all make it pretty attractive.
I agree that the concept is interesting, but honestly the damage that could be done with something like that is just not worth it.
With corporate greed you can’t be sure what weird step they decide to do next. And everything they do directly affects you. Not to speak of the possibility of getting hacked and having a weird version of the bee movie play in your head on loop.
