cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605
A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.
We need to be clear here. Don’t hate Meta/Facebook for complying with a legal search warrant. That’s the law. Hate Meta/Facebook for having the ability to hand over private chat messages at all. End-to-End Encryption is the only answer. It’s not about trust, it’s about the ability.
End-to-End Encryption is the only answer.
With OpenSource, audited, and user-controlled software.
Any software that could be ordered by a third party (like Meta) to send the E2E keys to the server, while sending all the encrypted messaged through the same server, is not to be trusted.
That’s the law.
Yeah, I don’t buy that, not when you have the obscene money and power that Meta has. They could have fought it and resisted, but they didn’t. This is the same company that literally just stole a trademark and absolutely nothing meaningful happened to them because of it.
You don’t buy that it’s the law?
not when you have the obscene money and power that Meta has. They could have fought it and resisted,
What you’re saying is because Meta is rich, they don’t have to obey the law?
What you’re saying is because Meta is rich, they don’t have to obey the law?
Anyone who’s rich in America doesn’t have to obey the law. That’s not a matter of opinion. There’s a clear and observable imbalance between the rich and poor in regard to the outcomes experienced in the American justice system.
They could have said okay here you g… oooops jeez it’s gone. Wow how did that happen. Oh well.
They’re a branch of the government at this point. Call it investing in avoiding the kind of scrutiny they should have been under the moment they started psychological experiments on the public.
They admitted to it but I don’t see Zuck the fuck in jail do you?
I’m sure there were plenty of strategies, but we all know that the justice system for a mega-corporation in America is way, way different than the justice system for a poor or middle class individual, so it’s laughable to me that anyone would look at this scenario, shrug, and pretend that Meta didn’t have any recourse in order to do the right thing.
I get very frustrated with the people who side with the govt here because it was a 7 month foetus. Just because it is 7 months rather than 5 or 6 doesn’t suddenly mean the government should be able to coerce the use of someone’s body as an incubator against their will.
Feels like people just don’t give a shit about bodily autonomy and such :/ nya
I think the argument is that at 7 months that’s a viable human and it has rights on its own.
It doesn’t have rights until it slides out of the vagina or cesarean section. Until that moment it’s none of anyone’s business but the mother.
And it’s not the government or Facebook or any fucking one else’s place to criminalize this, or to presume to have a right to have any say in the matter.
I’m a male white democrat but I don’t even lean as far left as many fellow liberals. I’m close to left center. Nevertheless, it astounds me how many people put a line where the baby “could” potentially survive. So what? It’s still in the mother’s body it’s still part of her body. And it’s nobody else’s right to have any say about it whatsoever - except arguably a minor vote to the father, a little bit. But ultimately this whole criminalization is not about life at all, but about politics and economics.
That’s a separate discussion on its own as for some 1 second old human is one with their own rights. But then in Belarus there is a lot of things that are illegal and we consider normal, like saying your leader is corrupt. Should META comply just because it is local law?
At the end of the day it seems we just can not trust anything that isn’t encrypted.
Jumping in here to say that I don’t feel like the Technology community is the right place to have the debate on the gestational limits for abortion. Let’s keep the focus on technology please.
If someone attached themselves to your body transfusion-like, and used your organs, do you think they have the right to do that against your will if they would die by being detached from your body? I.E do you think the state should have the right to lock you in a cell to prevent you from detaching your transfusion tube from that person?
Generally the logic is that once the fetus has reached viability (i.e. capable of being removed and continuing life without the mother), then acts that result in death of the fetus are no longer necessary nor morally valid. It is reasonable to expect the fetus to be removed from the mother and provided life support at that stage.
The elimination of Roe has brought many states back to the stone ages…
For all we know these girl could have been raped by a family member, or other bad actor and the mother was just helping the only way she knew how.
I am sure this was extremely scarring and emotional for the mother and daughter, and now the state wants to charge them for murder…
The baby was aborted at 7 months- it was very close to being a fully formed babby, a far cry from aborting in the first couple months.
Afaik abortion at that stage was already illegal in many areas.
Ah shit my bad I did not realize that from the article! I take part of it back hahah.
The state this happened in didn’t change their abortion policy when roe v wade was appealed though.
I’m pro abortion, but not at 28 weeks. A baby can survive at 28 weeks. Not only did they cause an abortion, they then illegally disposed of a dead body.
I’m for abortion in emergencies, such as any time an expectant mother feels like it’s necessary. Women are not mindless incubators and shouldn’t be treated like them under the law.
No one is saying they’re “mindless incubators”, but “I want to fit in my jeans again” isn’t an “emergency” and doesn’t give them the right to take drugs to abort a baby that could survive out in the world at its age.
Just so we’re on the same page here - you feel that a woman should be able to abort a 39 week old baby?
Fuck Meta
This is an infuriating story for sure, but I just want to clarify for anybody just seeing it for the first time that it happened in 2022.
I knew it sounded familiar. I remember this.
Honestly though, if anything things have only gotten worse not better.
It terrifies me! This news was shocking for about three days. Now, a year later, we know law enforcement is buying info from data brokers and google has gone back on their “promise” to delete sensitive location data for people who visit abortion clinics. And it’s just crickets from lawmakers, nothing from regulators, except that maybe we should ban one specific app. I knew the fourth amendment wasn’t real anymore after prism but dear god it just keeps escalating with every year of my adulthood. Panopticon ass country.
If only people could be united to sacrifice one giant company make an example of them. But you couldn’t get ten Americans to fart in synchronicity unless you were paying them and their streaming services were offline. “Revolutionary changes for the better to our economy? Nah, I’m good.”
