cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605
A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.
The two women told detective Ben McBride of the Norfolk, Nebraska Police Division that they’d discussed the matter on Facebook Messenger
… why would they do that?
Facebook is a den of depravity and malice. And Nebraska. Thank God I’m not living there, what a waste of taxpayer dollars. They’re gonna throw the mom and kid in jail in with the actual rapists, murderers, convicted priests, and anyone else unlucky enough to have had a miscarriage in a backwards state.
If you have the funds, move to a different state like I did. And delete Facebook like I did in November 2016.
This is a tough one. Let’s replace abortion with a crime, robbery? If someone stole your grand pappys rolex and talked about it on Meta, I think most would agree that it was proper. If people talked about assaulting someone, most would agree that it’s proper as well. Add a late term abortion into the conversation, it becomes controversial.
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Others are correct the tech page isn’t the place to debate medical stuff.
I think if a crime is committed via the law, Facebook should comply. If there wasn’t political component, this wouldn’t even be a conversation.
Stupid to talk about anything on Facebook.
If it had been phone company turning over text messages then I’d be livid. But seriously who fucking trusts Facebook with that kind of thing? After everything they’ve done that’s been proven why would anyone trust them with an iota of private information?
I get very frustrated with the people who side with the govt here because it was a 7 month foetus. Just because it is 7 months rather than 5 or 6 doesn’t suddenly mean the government should be able to coerce the use of someone’s body as an incubator against their will.
Feels like people just don’t give a shit about bodily autonomy and such :/ nya
I think the argument is that at 7 months that’s a viable human and it has rights on its own.
If someone attached themselves to your body transfusion-like, and used your organs, do you think they have the right to do that against your will if they would die by being detached from your body? I.E do you think the state should have the right to lock you in a cell to prevent you from detaching your transfusion tube from that person?
Generally the logic is that once the fetus has reached viability (i.e. capable of being removed and continuing life without the mother), then acts that result in death of the fetus are no longer necessary nor morally valid. It is reasonable to expect the fetus to be removed from the mother and provided life support at that stage.
It doesn’t have rights until it slides out of the vagina or cesarean section. Until that moment it’s none of anyone’s business but the mother.
And it’s not the government or Facebook or any fucking one else’s place to criminalize this, or to presume to have a right to have any say in the matter.
I’m a male white democrat but I don’t even lean as far left as many fellow liberals. I’m close to left center. Nevertheless, it astounds me how many people put a line where the baby “could” potentially survive. So what? It’s still in the mother’s body it’s still part of her body. And it’s nobody else’s right to have any say about it whatsoever - except arguably a minor vote to the father, a little bit. But ultimately this whole criminalization is not about life at all, but about politics and economics.
That’s a separate discussion on its own as for some 1 second old human is one with their own rights. But then in Belarus there is a lot of things that are illegal and we consider normal, like saying your leader is corrupt. Should META comply just because it is local law?
At the end of the day it seems we just can not trust anything that isn’t encrypted.
Jumping in here to say that I don’t feel like the Technology community is the right place to have the debate on the gestational limits for abortion. Let’s keep the focus on technology please.
One of the many, many, many reasons to keep Meta out of the Fediverse if it can be managed.
How do we know that Fediverse will be any different? After all if it is a law and you get a legal subponae, you comply with it.
It probably wouldn’t be.
The thing is, Meta has the money and power to fight against injustices like this, but instead, they’re complicit, and I’d prefer their corrupting influence stay far, far away from the fediverse.
