The puritanical culture we have is the ruin of everything. We wouldn’t be overly thoughtful about consent this and that if not for awful people getting away with sex crimes left and right, even in current day. Guess what? If you’re not a rapist, don’t hold yourself to the same stringent standard - do the fucking CPR and save a life.
I would love to see one example where someone was prevented from doing CPR by a bystander because “you shouldn’t be touching that woman”. I would put money that it has never happened.
Whether it’s happened or not, you’re also running into two big problems America has:
- People who act without thinking
- People with a hero fantasy, and also often a gun
It doesn’t have to have happened for people to fear that it will. In a nation where too many people carry guns, act rashly, and want to see their face on the news as a local hero, it just sounds too damn possible and risky.
Modern CPR training insists yiu have to announce what the fuck you’re doing because people will universally get the wrong idea.
You have no modesty when you’re dying- the underwire in a bra interferes with AEDs working, and the pads have to be on skin. For compressions you need to see where you are so you are, so the clothes come off.
It’s standard to drill that in, precise cause it has happened.
Hell. We’ve heard anecdotes of cops coming in and macing people giving CPR. People frequently assume the worst and act on it.
Modern CPR training insists that you have to announce what the fuck you’re doing because that’s the standard of communication during an emergency. When we’re running a code in the hospital, we announce our actions to the room, so everyone knows what’s going on. That’s just how it’s done
Not surprising. This aligns with other studies around women and cardiac problems. People have a bias toward identifying the symptoms that men show, and women often have a tendency to display different symptoms.
I… don’t think that’s the reason why people would avoid specifically CPR, specifically in a public place.
“I have asked people this question on my own, and I’ve been told by some that they don’t know where the [anatomical] landmarks for CPR are due to women having breasts,” Dr. Nicole McAllister, clinical assistant professor of emergency medicine at the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center, tells Yahoo Life.
Many people who receive CPR training practice on flat-chested mannequins and learn that CPR should be performed across the breastbone and nipple line, she says. “Because people think of doing CPR in terms of a male-form dummy, some of this doesn’t translate well and they don’t feel comfortable doing it in the right spot,” McAllister says.
From the article. There’s also an expert that bring up your reason, and there are some more explanations given (people don’t realise it when a woman has a heart attack, people are afraid of hurting the woman)
I think more likely, this is what he was referring to:
But there are likely other issues at play too, women’s health expert Dr. Jennifer Wider, tells Yahoo Life. “One reason is a fear of touching another person without consent, especially a woman — this may discourage a bystander to administer CPR to a woman,” she says. (This reason came up in 2021 research conducted by the American Heart Association — people reported that they were not comfortable giving CPR over fear of sexual accusations or inappropriate touching.)
Woman get a bake shake from the healthcare system, but I think this is more about tits and people being afraid of touching them to do CPR…
Bystander: She’s apneic and has no pulse! I’m beginning CPR!
Commences compressions
Patient: Uh actually I have a boyfriend
I think the average person can tell what’s going on if they see someone prone on the ground and someone doing chest compressions.
You would think that, right? But no. If you’re a guy, you automatically think of all the ways you can get accused of SA, even when you’re genuinely trying to help. So most guys just don’t. It’s not worth the risk.
Conversely, we had a call for a woman passed out in a car called in by a bystander. We arrived and she was still seated in the car, with a man doing one-armed compressions on her chest. It looked bad … until we got closer and saw she was both awake and speaking normally to her “savior”, and his CPR was on the level of “movie CPR”.
We figured he would stop on his own once he realized she was awake: he didn’t. We figured she would in some way indicated he needed to stop, or at least react adversely in any way to the man pushing (weakly) on her chest … she didn’t. We had to tell him to stop.
To his credit I think he just saw someone down and got tunnel vision. Based on his face the realization of how absurd it was hit a few seconds later.
Makes sense, you could save their life and catch a case.
did it to themselves by punishing men who shouldnt be punished because to push an agenda to much
