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There absolutely should, and perhaps law and ethics experts who dabble in AI are in the middle of discussing this.

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Louis rossmann and hero_hei made great point

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hero_hei made great point

Now there’s a sentence I never thought I’d see.

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AI has only been capable of… half imitating those things for like a year and a half. And most uses are non commercial, and there is not established case law for personal usage of generative artificial intelligence. It would be hard to sue someone for something they aren’t profiting from, or that they are not using as a form of slander or libel or harassment.

The EU, the UK, and the US are all currently developing new laws surrounding the usage of AI. But this is all incredibly new and therefore in progress.

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Yup, we’re in the wild west of it now where anything goes, but that’s only because there are no laws currently. Actors have already been fighting this in the movie industry to determine how to work out “face rights” and “voice rights” after they die (so they can do things like Leia in Rogue One), and now that it’s for anyone I’m guessing we’re going to see laws start to take form very soon.

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Um, no. Copyright exists and it applies to everything that is copyrightable. It doesn’t go away when you slap AI onto your imitative ML model.

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Yes, and personal use exists so that people who are not profiting in any way off of someone else’s copyright are not chargeable under copyright law. Hence why I can download a jpg of an artists painting and that action alone is not breaking any law.

If my AI is not being used to make money, and it is also not being used to slander someone or harass someone, then what law exactly would I be breaking? How would I be harming someone else, by having an AI that I use solely personally and am in no way benefiting from? Can you sue someone for taking a DVD, ripping it, and then rearranging the scenes in a new video file? Have they broken a law solely by creating a derivative work using the original material, even if that work is not making them money and they are commiting no other crime using that work?

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personal use exists

That would be news to me. Could you give a source for that? Because it’d mean I would be allowed to copy movies, music etc. for my “personal use” and also give them away because I’m not seeking profit, right?

Copyright extends everywhere, no matter what use. There are certain specific limits such as licenses, fair use and private copies but outside of those, no, you may not make a copy and yes, even loading a file into memory counts as “making a copy”.

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Yes, but training is not infringement under current law.

If you learn to draw by tracing Mickey Mouse, but then professionally draw original works, you haven’t infringed copyright.

If you subsequently draw Mickey Mouse, you’ll hear from Disney’s lawyers.

So yes, AI producing IP protected material when prompted results in infringement, just as any production would.

The thing people seem to be up in arms about are things like copying style (not protected) or using for training (not infringing).

If anything, all of this discussion over the past year around AI has revealed just how little people understand about IP laws. They complain that there needs to be laws for things already protected and prohibited, and they complain that companies are infringing for things that are not protected nor prohibited.

For example, in relation to the OP question, in the US there is no federal protection around IP rights for voices and case law to the opposite.

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If you learn to draw by tracing Mickey Mouse, but then professionally draw original works, you haven’t infringed copyright.

Tracing Mickey is already copyright infringement. It’s insane but that’s how it works.

I think copyright is a weird idea in this day and age where you’re almost always standing on the shoulders of giants too but that doesn’t make it go away. Best we can do is hack it (copyleft).

copying style (not protected)

Not copyrightable but I’m not sure whether a style could be trademarked instead.

using for training (not infringing)

Whether that’s infringing or not is hotly debated topic. Key point here is whether training falls under fair use. If it doesn’t, training on copyrighted material without a license would be infringing under most jurisdictions.

in the US there is no federal protection around IP rights for voices and case law to the opposite.

Because US == world. I’d love to leave this implication behind on Reddit.

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This isn’t just a matter of law, but of technology. Part of the point of these large language models is the massive corpus of raw data. It’s not supposed to mimic a specific person or work, but rather imitate ALL of them. Ideally, you wouldn’t even be able to pinpoint anyone or anything in particular.

(If you’re asking about a different type of AI, then disregard)

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Likeness is just one aspect of copyright. Another side entirely involves the protection of the innovative and production parts of the creation of the original training material. I.e. ChatGPT wouldn’t be possible without the work of hundreds of millions of writers writing things.

Not so different than compensating a course for providing you with their learning materials when you learn a new language.

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Laws are usually a reactions to a behavior we want to eliminate, they’re rarely made to prevent something we anticipate.

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There is already laws regarding impersonation and the right to your own image.

So not sure why AI would make it different from a costume or a drawing

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