About as fascist as any other capitalist nation. Which is to say if there was any threat to the Russian bourgeois by their working class it would be. Probably the only reason the US isn’t full fascist yet is because leftism is so dead in this country that the capitalist class doesn’t need to worry about such things.
The USA is fascist. Do not kid yourself. Remember that the Third Reich emulated the USA and the USA absorbed the Third Reich. The USA is the torchbearer for fascism. The idea that it’s not is almost entirely from a white perspective. The USA has continuously had racial ghettos, massive prison labor, criminalization of poverty and racial deviance, mass murder, fanatical Christianity, secret police, domestic surveillance, control of media, lack of democratic accountability, concentration camps, callous murder of racialized groups, constant war footing against engineered enemies, domestic and global terror projects, political prisoners, and protection of the minority bourgeoisie.
The only things the USA doesn’t have right at this moment that the Third Reich had are the following: industrial mass murder, industrial mass displacement, violent purges.
It is unlikely to develop these things because they understand that the reaction to these things will be counter to their continuous hold on power.
The USA has, in essence, been fascist since beforeb it’s founding, because the European colonists essentially had all the components of European fascism during the colonial era. Mass murder was made easier by stuffing hundreds of black rebels into ships and gassing them. Haiti worked their slaves to death so fast they needed to import 50k a year to keep up. The USA’s relationship to the native peoples is nearly identical to what fascism showed us. We still have race science built into our culture through our media narratives and our particular use of statistics in social sciences.
Don’t wait around for the USA to become fascist.
All great points. And remember the US all but put gay people in camps in the 80’s as AIDS ravaged them and Regan (may Satan torture his soul forever) just sat there and smiled as it happened.
Still, how should we describe a potential turn into those few things Nazi Germany had that the US has lacked? Like, I say I fear a fascist takeover of the US but really, that’s what I mean by saying that.
You gotta get specific about what could happen:
Why would the US create death camps? Because of risk of revolt. So that means if the lumpen start getting organized, the risk of death camps becomes real.
Invasion of neighbors is unlikely because strategically it creates way larger borders and the conditions for international intervention.
Invasion of further countries is possible, for a number of reasons, but that will just create proxy wars, which… we’re already there.
So what other than industrializing death are you concerned about? If that’s the only thing, then you should see that we’re already fascist, we’re already taken over, we’re already in that place, we just don’t have the rebellion that requires that tactic to be implemented.
They already do industrial murder and displacement too, they just perfected it so it’s less overt and they can’t easily be criticized for it. Poverty killing us all, then of course mental health/suicide, plastic food, brain rot water, the slow death of intense stress put on workers trying to chase the Dream, multiple avenues of drug abuse, catastrophic destruction of community in a foundational sense, ecocide, obliteration of the mind the create a perfect obedient slave class…
Yeah but if I call the US fascist in my political science classes I’ll be laughed at… and get a bad grade.
have you considered your political science curriculum is determined by western ideology and incredible biased and chauvinistic?
Most of those are quite business as usual for capitalism though. Calling it fascist while good for drawing a parallel isn’t entirely true. Its peak capitalist settler colonialism which is pretty close but not entirely fascist. Communist parties are still legal, people still have some civil protections (not many, but far more than you’d have in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy). The US is basically diet fascist. Not quite fully there, but doing as much as it can to get close to it.
Like I said, if the left actually got its shit together then the US would happily fully implement fascism but really that is the only reason it hasn’t fully done so.
The US is absolutely fascist toward indigenous and black people. Communist parties aren’t illegal (because pretending that they have freedom of speech and association is required to uphold their national myth), but if they’re led by black people (e.g. the Black Panthers), they’re brutally repressed. It may not be fascist from the perspective of the settlers, but having a relatively privileged ethnic majority and heavily persecuted ethnic minorities is a core part of fascism
Most of those are quite business as usual for capitalism though. Calling it fascist while good for drawing a parallel isn’t entirely true.
This is going to come down to what words mean, which is dependent on your ideology. As it turns out, European fascism IS capitalism - it comes from capitalism, it protects capitalism, it is required to maintain capitalism, it uses techniques developed through capitalism, it does not destroy capitalism nor replace it. So what’s the difference between ideological European racialized capitalism, as a historical phenomenon, and European fascism? From a materialist stand point, literally nothing. From a propaganda standpoint, it’s that the violence of capitalism is turned towards Europeans.
Its peak capitalist settler colonialism which is pretty close but not entirely fascist.
Again, settler colonialism is fascism, just directed at non-whites.
Communist parties are still legal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
people still have some civil protections (not many, but far more than you’d have in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy)
They had civil protections. The idea that this is a distinguishing feature is the perspective of white person living in a fascist empire that has been indoctrinated to believe that those other fascists are the real fascists. Just look at the civil liberties of blacks, indigenous, women, queer, and other oppressed groups in the USA.
The US is basically diet fascist
The USA birthed the Third Reich ideologically and scientifically. The Third Reich studied the apartheid of the USA and applied it. They studied our eugenics programs and applied them. They studied our enslavement, our prisons, our management of indigenous genocide and they replicated it.
When the Third Reich was defeated, the USA protected its members, it’s distributed them all over the Western hemisphere through Operation Paperclip and distributed them all over Europe through Operation Gladio. They incorporated the Nazis into NATO leadership.
The USA isn’t diet fascism, it’s the fascist reservoir from which other fascist movements have historically emerged and to which those movements recede.
I don’t disagree with what you have said (for obvious reasons), but out of curiosity - why did USA fight other fascists in that case? Imperial Japan was likely due to wanting control of Pacific region. What about the Nazis?
I’d imagine this kind of questions arise sooner or later in discussion with USians in regards to their country’s behaviour and state
European fascism was directed at Europeans in the process of attempting to enslave the Slavs. It’s ultimate goal was to destroy the USSR because the ideology that led to the world’s first workers’ state was a threat to the entirety of the European project. Everyone in Western Europe and America was onboard for this.
The first problem came when the Third Reich showed it would apply it’s brutality to white people. This had never been done before and it was a major moral affront to the West. The second problem was when it became evident that, in order to win, the Third Reich would need to consolidate much of the European economies under its control. The US needed that economy in order to sell its goods.
The final problem, however, was that the Third Reich was losing to the USSR. Had the US not intervened when it did, the USSR would have marched all the way across Europe instead of stopping at Berlin. The USA had to intervene to stop the entire continent from becoming part of the workers’ state movement.
Why did it intervene in Japan? Mostly because it gave the US access to the Pacific border of the USSR. Japan occupied Korea at the time, so defeating Japan gave the US legal and physical capability to occupy Korea in their wake, which they needed to do since the USSR had a long history with Korea and indeed arrived to secure it as a socialist society.
There’s also the issue of China. China was beyond valuable to the Western Europeans. So much of White action in the Pacific is related to dominance over China for profit. Japan was fighting in China and the Chinese communists were fighting alongside the Chinese nationalists in a temporary alliance. The West wanted the nationalists to win the civil war in order to secure their dominance over the region. Pushing Japan into a full submissive surrender created room for the West to operate in the region, taking on roles and relationships and positions that used to be in the Japanese sphere of influence.
Just because two people are fascist doesn’t mean they share goals. It just means they share ideologies. Fascists have no ideological framework for cooperating with other fascists. There may be some benefit to that cooperation. But that benefit cannot outweigh the problem of one fascist power eating another power’s lunch.
I think calling every capitalist country fascist dilutes the meaning of the word; as far as I know, the state isn’t completely controlled by the bourgeoisie in Russia (despite the West calling them oligarchs, they seem to have significantly less power than their imperial core counterparts), and while there are anti-LGBTQ+ laws which should obviously be condemned, I’m not aware of any mass imprisonment of minorities
I remember hearing about prisons for gay people in Russia. I’m not saying it true, by the way, just that it’s something that was making the rounds.
I’m sure a lot of liberals believe Russia has secret concentration camps and torture facilities for all kinds of people (like the US actually does)
fascist is when you kill europeans or usa “allies”
But when you have an actual SS veteran address parliament, well, that’s just a mistake.
Kings and Generals literally has a guy from the NED writing their scripts.
Really used to enjoy roman documentaries on this channel before they went apeshit with Ukraine stuff. It’s not even like they’re giving any historical context for the conflict, they’re just regurgitating whatever Ukrainian propaganda says.
Stable Diffusion does not know how to generate Soviet uniforms
