I’m sorry that you think actually-murdered Gazans versus hypothetical future murders aren’t “realities” to be considered, just principles, or that you think choosing between 2 people who both profess backing policies that will result in said murders, is a normal choice to be making as an electorate.
Trump should already be in prison, for any number of crimes. So should Biden. That neither are, is an indicator of how “well” our system is working.
There is a fine line between “working from within a system to change it” and “validating and reifying the system, by being a willing participant”. If you are finding that your participation is not having the impact you intend, perhaps you should consider what side of that line you’re actually on?
I love how you don’t highlight the Israelis murdered in the rocket attacks and other activities that kicked this latest round of conflict off. Almost like the usual suspects don’t care if Israelis die. The whole, “we don’t believe in mass murder” is complete bullshit. You just want one side to win and you don’t give a shit how.
Latest round, meaning October 7, or Rafah? Because according to the IDF, the recent rocket attacks out of Rafah didn’t injure anyone.
And if you’re treating an occupying force as being the same as the occupied population that is resisting them, you’re starting from a false premise of innocence.
Is it alright for Hamas to kill civilians? Of course not. Is it okay for them to attack Israel with the means they have available to them, when they are being regularly attacked by Israel? Of course. They’re both evil, but one is much more understandably so, assuming you don’t for instance think Nat Turner was wrong for fighting his oppressors?
Why do you assume that pro-Palestinian people = pro-Hamas? How many dead Israeli people is enough to justify genocide? Nobody is saying that Hamas are the good guys, but they do often say they understand the material realities that created them (Israeli state actions). Everyone I know that is saying don’t commit genocide also say it is not OK for Hamas to kill civilians, often in the same breath.
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If you think you’re going to change anything by not voting or voting third party then I have a bridge I’d love to sell you and decades of American history I’d like you to read.
Please explain to me what action you’re going to take and how that’s going to lead to positive change?
Man, there are a lot of assumptions from y’all, mostly seemingly based on your inability to accept the fact that you can’t shame the electorate at large into voting a certain way. I voted for Hillary in 2016, but I was screaming to the rafters that she was going to lose because she was a bad candidate, and should never have been put up in the first place. This is shaping up to be a repeat.
It doesn’t matter what arguments you make about people voting for Biden, because you and I have no real reach; this is why it’s critical to select good candidates. If you keep putting up “hold your nose” candidates, they’re going to lose sometimes, no matter how much arguing and shaming and cajoling you do. When you do it multiple times in a row, it just compounds that effect.
Y’all are the ones living in the fantasy world where you can change millions of disaffected voters via web forums. Also, you’re stooges for the Democratic Party’s scapegoating for never listening to their base, and losing elections because of it.
Also I guess losing the majority on SCOTUS and losing abortion rights was just a “hypothetical scenario” when people like you refused to vote for Hillary in 2016?
When will you people learn that, yes, elections have consequences.
Trying to pretend like they might not and Trump might somehow not be worse is being deliberately obtuse and sticking your head in the sand. Wake up and smell the reality.
Please tell me about your hypothetical future where you don’t vote for Biden. Please explain to me what your best case scenario and outcome look like in that situation? Please tell me, what are you working towards?
when people like you refused to vote for Hillary in 2016?
Nice assumption.
Trying to pretend like they might not and Trump might somehow not be worse
Where did I do that, exactly? Please be precise.
Please tell me about your hypothetical future where you don’t vote for Biden.
Please show me where I expressed who I was or wasn’t going to vote for?
When you actually have a good-faith question about what I believe is the path forward, or what needs to happen, and are done shouting at an imagined person that you created post-2016 to explain the absolute failure of the Democratic Party to stop a fascist from taking power, I’ll be here.
Best case, a third party wins and starts to dismantle an empire. Realistic case is Biden or Trump win and my vote had nothing to do with it. Biden and Trump are both bad leaders. Deporting or silencing dissenters is bad leadership. I’m still not voting for Biden. Nice try though.
People like you are why the Democratic party keeps forcing shit candidates down our throats. They count on obnoxious people like you to guilt others into voting for “the lesser of two evils”
The democratic/republican parties will shove shit candidates down your throat weather you vote for them or not.
There is no thirst anywhere that there is means to change it, to change it.
By refusing to vote, all you are doing is are refusing to limit damage.
Damage limitation is the best you can reasonably hope for
No, it’s because people like you don’t vote in primaries. I vote in every primary for better candidates meanwhile people like you scream how the candidates are awful while staying home during the primaries.
The candidates won’t get better until we grass roots organize and start actually making good candidates popular.
