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78 points

Wait really? What’s the catch?

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190 points

Doubt there is one. The hard truth is that most Americans’ taxes are pretty simple and straightforward. We can stop pretending that copying some boxes from a W2 and a 1099 is difficult.

I mean, personally I wish we’d stop pretending that the IRS isn’t already fully aware of what you owe and could just do the filling for you, like in other countries, but until Grover Norquist fucks off forever we’re stuck where we are.

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60 points

Right. Filing taxes should only be necessary if you have itemized writeoffs or wish to contest the IRS’s statement of your tax liability. They already know what you earned their your employer, what’s been paid in taxes, what basic credits your qualify for, etc. They know what you owe so long as you didn’t have expenses to apply for that they couldn’t assume or know about. The only reason they don’t already do that or, at least until now, have a free public system for filing, it’s because tax companies have lobbied for decades to be able to milk the public for cash to help them file and navigate their tax liability.

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18 points

The argument has been since free filing means only the wealthy will hire accountants, free filing would discriminate against the poor given a few mistakes will be made here and there.

I may not need to mention that disingenuous argument is made by the pirates at Intuit and their lobbyists.

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They know what you owe so long as you didn’t have expenses to apply for that they couldn’t assume or know about

Solo 401ks/IRA also wouldn’t be something they know about until you file if I understand correctly. Guess you could that expenses?

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I understand why we do out taxes in the current situation, kinda. If the irs just sent you a bill it would be ripe for people thinking they were getting ripped off. People hating taxes and thinking they’re getting robbed is about as American as it gets. The whole boston tea party thing. People on both side doing the math holds people accountable. Also the current tax bracket situation kinda needs some end of the year math. Now, if it was a flat tax, a fixed percent… THAT EVERYONE pays no matter how much you make then it would be easy math. But they gotta make sure the middle class is paying 22% of their income to the feds and the billionaires pay one tenth of a percent… you know… for reasons. Then there are a billion write-offs and loopholes the rich can exploit, so they gotta keep those there.

If it was, say, 5% for everyone, no matter what you make, then it could easily just come out of your check as you get paid with no bs at the end of the year.

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I’ve been in the US for a few years now. All my colleagues told me that doing taxes is hard. So I used to reluctantly pay money to do it through Sprintax. This year, I decided to do it by hand. It took almost the same amount of time as it would’ve taken to do it through Sprintax, which is around 30 minutes.

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3 points

Even with multiple savings accounts, IRA/401ks, an investment account, and two W2s; it’s still relatively straightforward. You just need to grab the forms, as they are legally supposed to be provided to you.

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9 points

In italy the data is pre-filled, you just have to check if there’s something missing and you’re good to go, but you still have to send the module manually, like going into the website and doing the stuff.

It should be all automatic, wtf

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2 points

Don’t they just assume that everything is good if you don’t reply? Works that way here

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4 points

Grover Norquist fucks off forever

This is the world I want to live in.

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2 points

most Americans’ taxes are pretty simple and straightforward

Once the reporting for income over $600 from shit like eBay sales, Venmo, etc kicks in, the 1099 they issue would make free filing ineligible

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step one for me is get out last year’s so i have a point of reference. just do the same thing again. numbers are a bit different, but the general ‘what-goes-where’ is usually the same–unless they split a form into multiple pages, or add an extra page to one.

once i get the new blank forms printed, it’s about 15 minutes for me to fill-out, copy, and stuff inside an envelope. this year’s added yet another sheet, i had to use a flat instead of the usual #10. cost more to mail, too, but i will not ever ‘e-file’.

one of the few perks of being poor—easy taxes.

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16 points

You’re acting like the filing that would come from the government would be the final record and you wouldn’t be allowed to correct it, which is not at all what people are suggesting.

Plus, audits will still be a thing.

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12 points

y u no be nice about it :(

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11 points

All of those things you mentioned are edge cases which you would still be able to handle yourself if they auto filled everything for you.

I use an online tax service which scans my w2 and filles it out. It still gives me the option to edit stuff but I mostly just check to make sure things look good.

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7 points

How would they know now? It’s the same answer. Stop being a dick.

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36 points

Unless it’s changed from the pilot, it’s only useful if you file a 1040EZ or take some really basic deductions. Anything beyond the basics, like any kind of investments, means you need to use a different tool.

But freetaxusa is still free for all but the most complex cases.

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13 points

From the article:

The pilot program targeted people with simple tax returns based on W-2 forms. In her remarks today Yellen said that over the next few years they will expand Direct File to support more situations.

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8 points

But even that would cover a large percentage of the American workforce, and I imagine over a few years, it will grow to cover all users that don’t need personal accountants. Progress is progress.

Personally, I hope this transitions into a system where they email you a proposed return and you do nothing to accept it (only needing to take action if there’s an issue).

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7 points

I’d say it’s still a win, and I’m hoping they expand upon it.

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22 points

I expect that you’ll have to pay the money according to the statement

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13 points

The catch is that Turbo Tax and H&R Block are gonna lose a ton of revenue

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11 points
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You have to register an account with the 3rd party service ID.me that uses biometrics like facial recognition. Their privacy policy is horrendous.

The only reason I haven’t used it this year.

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8 points

Only catch is Republicans probably launching some type of legal action to try and stop it.

https://www.nysscpa.org/news/publications/the-trusted-professional/article/13-republican-ags-seek-to-stop-irs-s-fre-direct-file-pilot-program-020224

No lawsuit launched yet to my knowledge, just sternly worded letters saying please stop helping taxpayers instead of letting predatory companies like Intuit fleece money off of them.

I would expect them to try something soon though with this announced.

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4 points

I was in a pilot state (Arizona), and I looked into it. It’s only for federal taxes. You need to file state taxes separately.

There are already several online tax solutions that offer free federal and charge for state.

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Does Arizona not have an online free system? Illinois has a very hand-holding guided set of questions and has for years, it’s always been our federal taxes that make my head hurt to fill out via the IRS’s FreeFillableForms site.

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4 points

It probably doesn’t do state taxes.

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1 point

You get to pick which oligarch or corporation gets your tax money this year!

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