You do realize Trump was already president, right? And that our current president is literally funding a genocide?
The fear mongering doesn’t work. Field better candidates that can actually win elections against convicted felons and you don’t run into this issue.
Candidate so unpopular they’re neck and neck with literally the worst president in the countries history.
Candidate’s diehard supporters when their guy loses: “surely this isn’t my candidates fault for alienating the bulk of his base while supporting a far-right fascist genocide. This must be the fault of the Democratic base!”
Give me a break. Neolibs only have themselves to blame if Biden can’t win against the single most beatable opponent in history.
Fear and threats don’t work anymore, you guys have got to actually allow non-conservative candidates out there or Dems will just keep losing. Most of the Democratic base is not going to vote for a Reagan Republican in Dem clothing.
So you’ll get a literal tyrant who already wanted to execute his OWN STAFF, who encourage the police to brutalize BLM protestors, who gleefully chortles about sexually assaulting women… Who plans on installing himself as President for Life, with his children to follow.
Congratulations, you really showed them!
Dude, it’s a party politics problem really, compounded by corrupt electoral bullshit like the electoral college, gerrymanderind and malapportionment. The two party nominees at any election have never been the parties’ best and/or brightest.
Biden’ is popular with people who actually follow the real news, instead of China’s and Putin’s pervasive psyops disinformation.
It actually is really simple, you’re right. Don’t fund genocide and you get my vote.
That’s literally all it takes at this point. I’ve been defeated on ever seeing functional healthcare and campaign finance reform and stuff. You guys won in that regard, its not gonna happen, you should be happy. All I’m saying is I can’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate, you know?
You’ve dragged me along to the right with you so far that that’s now my standard.
I’m gonna blow your mind here; I voted for Biden in 2020. Despite utterly despising neolibs and their coercive right-wing politics. I did what you demanded, voted for the lesser evil (once again) and got a genocide for it.
This whole ‘You guys won’ take is nonsense. We have to work together or WE are all equally fucked.
I’m gonna blow your mind here
That is is not the smart ass revelation that you imagine it should be.
You voted for Biden in 2020 despite his history of supporting wars that kill innocent people. He voted in favor of the Iraq War in 2003. Biden supported the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and reasserted the need to stay there in 2002. If you actually cared about war time deaths of innocents that Biden affects, you never would’ve supported him in the first place.
Now, suddenly, a war not supported or instigated by Biden is what causes you to turn against him in an election where the other candidate is openly talking about murdering his opposition out of revenge?
You just hopped on a bandwagon, one that’s been flooded with adversarial political and foreign state sponsors.
I did what you demanded
You did it wrong. Make your own choices and support your own agency of thoughtfulness and objective consideration. Right now, your entire decision tree is quite obviously locked into a repeating loop. If you are relying on others to tell you how to vote, you lost your way before you ever learned the game.
Biden didn’t fund Hamas in Gaza; Biden didn’t direct Hamas to attack Israel; Biden didn’t order the IDF to respond with weapons of war; Biden hasn’t ordered or actively encouraged the Israelis to continue attacking Gaza and killing innocent people, families, and children.
The Israeli Government and their Military is who you should be railing on 24/7 for taking part in what is tantamount genocide of the Palestinians. I know you’re not actually reading most if any of this and I should probably just hit cancel move on, but you’re really leaning in and in the off chance something may spark, might as well try. Instead, you play right into propaganda intending to destabilize the US from within by sowing discontent in an election by putting blame of foreign military actions on an incumbent President trying to thread a needle of politics and diplomacy in an election year amid a foreign country’s genocidal actions against a foreign people.
Getting Trump re-elected may be the single most world-wide destabilizing event that could happen as a result of a strictly US political process. He already tried to dissolve NATO for Putin once.
You want to play politics like it’s 1v1 checkers when it’s really 14,356 games of Chess at the same time, on a timer.
And if you had not voted, how would we be seeing different right now?
Do you really think a 3rd party would have won? Do you think Trump would have made any better decisions for anyone besides is rich donors? Would there be more or less genocide happening?
I know we will actually never know. We do know how to try and hypothesize though.
Until we make a change in our electoral system there is always going to be this Turd Sandwich vs. Douchebag problem. If Trump wins the next election there will be 0 chance of change or reform for the betterment of the people. Without Trump there is a slightly greater than 0.
You will probably not actually stop to consider any of these things, I and the other fine folks have mentioned, while setting your bias aside and evaluating your position. But maybe, someone else reading through the threads here Will stop and think about some of the things being brought up here.
Even with the insane ease of communication we have now with the internet, we cannot as a country of human people, set aside our biases and figure out how to coordinate to any degree to show a mass/collective message.
I have said for decades, if we all just say “Fuck This” and vote for 3rd parties instead of the 2 picked for us it would send a message to those parties about what we actually want AND show us the power our vote really has when apply ourselves. We would need people to actually register to vote and then Vote! The amount of the population that does is fucking laughable though, so I guess they feel it’s fine, and that’s their vote too.
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Do you realize that if Trump becomes president again, his people have made absolutely no secret about their plans for seriously ramping up the ongoing trans genocide?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United_States
And now it’s your time to either downplay and/or deny that genocide or pretend it isn’t happening or that Trump won’t make it worse. Anything but actually admit there’s at least one kind of people whose genocide won’t bother you.
But please, do surprise me on this front.
Americans do need to experience the reality of where neoliberal politics have brought us before they can be made willing to resist it.
You’ve got to understand, trans people are losing their rights right now already, they’ve been a struggling class of people for decades, the neolib public does not actually care. Sure, they’ll tokenize trans people and their struggles as a political cudgel, but in the end this election is about protecting the comfort of upper middle-class neoliberals, that’s why they demand people vote for a conservative – they themselves don’t want to experience the consequences of their lackluster politics, that’s for minorities, not for “normal Democrats”.
There’s no more kicking the fan down the road, no more “lesser of two evils”, you guys are going to need to admit what it takes to win elections or you get to go down with all the groups you’re standing on to keep your own head above water.
No. But the fact that Joe Biden’s big selling point here is “I’ll theoretically fund genocide less than Trump” is not really a compelling distinction.
You’ve got to take a step back and look at what you’re supporting to really understand why Biden is struggling. Compare Biden’s position on Israel to, say, Ronald Reagan’s. Really kind of puts it into perspective that you’ve quite literally been made into a Republican in all but name. All using the same fear tactics every election cycle.
Well, we’ve reached the bottom of thr hill doing it your way, Democrats are literally paying to kill children now, how much further down were you guys saying we need to go before your magical “long term progress” kicks in?
Its NOT his big selling point.
You do realize that former president Trump was such a strong ally of Israel (since he let his zionist son-in-law run it) that they named a new settlement on stolen land after him, right? And that he’s never shown the least bit of interest in helping the Palestinians, right? And that his mid-east peace plan was normalization of relations between other Middle East states and Israel, right? Do you think Trump is going to take a stand against Israel if he gets elected? Honestly, what do you expect for him to do to the Palestinians? Send better bombs to kill them with? Stop pressuring Israel for a ceasefire or aid deliveries so that more Palestinians die from war or starvation? Please do share how you think Trump will end the genocide.
What do you think Trump will do differently?
If you’re a single issue voter and still voting for the worst of those two options you’re a baffoon.
Bet it’ll be FAR worse if you get your way and Trump is elected. But along with it being worse, you can say goodbye to the LGBTQ+ and any body autonomy women have remaining.
You have NO idea what’s going on here. They’re playing with live ammo buddy. This isn’t a joke.
The problem with this argument is this very article, which is also backed up by interviews with John Kelly, Bill Barr, and others. Everyone verifies that that Trump wanted to do all the crazy stuff from prosecuting Hillary to executing former members of his administration for speaking out against him, but they’d just delay until he’d get distracted and move on to something else. Again, these are people who eagerly signed up to work for Trump, and changed their mind based on their experience with him.
This next time around though, Trump will try to hire people who are more likely to be yes-men. What happens then?
There’s no “exposing”, I’ve been pretty clear that my goal here is subverting the Democratic right-wing, that shouldn’t shock anyone.
Like, why are you acting like that’s some huge reveal? Yes, I’m anti-genocide, go ahead and label me, though I think your reliance on labels is kind of what got us all into this mess to begin with. It’s why you’re a Republican in any practical sense of the word.
