I’ve tried, they’re too busy tho…

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They didn’t destroy anything, the paint can be removed without ruining the site, and they brought more visibility than sitting around with signs.

I don’t have a problem with this.

They are basically 5th columning environmental causes when they do shit like this.

I know “there is no bad press” but more people will think “fuck those guys” than “maybe environment does need saving” upon reading these news.

Also just because they were responsible about their dick move doesn’t mean everybody will be. Or something happens that causes long term damage by accident.

I care for environment greatly but I’d slap these people as long as I could lift my hands and then some.

While it’s not damaged and will just wash off in the rain, they shouldn’t be doing this to irrelevant monuments. It’s getting nobody on your side.

How is Stonehenge irrelevant?

Stonehenge is a monument built thousands of years ago, way before humans started mass polluting the Earth, how is it relevant to climate change?

Oh, I completely misunderstood your comment. Thought you were saying Stonehenge is irrelevant just in general which would be crazy to me

It’s relevant to climate change in that it was recently used by Just Stop Oil activists to draw attention to their cause. I guess one could also say that the sudden violent transformation of ancient stones that have stood largely unchanged for thousands of years is symbolically appropriate.

irrelevant monuments

“Irrelevant”? Huh? I think you’re a victim of autocorrect

A monument built thousands and thousands of years ago has no correlation to current day pollution/climate change. I think you missed the context. They should be targeting polluters or protectors of polluters, not an innocent heritage site.

Doesn’t matter. It’s a protected site and there’s protected species living on the stones. So they should be prosecuted on two counts at least. It’s illegal. If I’d have shot a protester for being a cunt I’d be prosecuted.

i think climate change could do more harm to the protected species

Then it’s a good thing you’re not in charge of maintaining and preserving Stonehenge.

I don’t think that there is any purpose to “bringing visibility” to global warming in 2024. Effectively everyone is already aware of global warming and has been for some time.

The issue isn’t awareness, but disagreement over the weight to put on policies to mitigate it. And I don’t expect that doing stuff like this is going to change people’s positions on that weight.

If this isnt going to change anyones opinions, then why the outrage? We’re all fucked anyways, so let them be upset.

More people tone policing these activists than are upset about the very possible end of our species.

It’s less about visibility that it’s happening, but that it’s not properly fought.

The fact that you’re using the wrong term just shows that yeah, it kinda does need more visibility I guess.

What “wrong term”? Global warming? Because The Guardian prefers to call it “global heating”? Or am I missing something, because that complaint would be amazingly petty.

Anyway it’s not about bringing visibility to global warming to make people aware that it’s going on. It’s about making a statement. That statement, as I understand it, is “Climate change! Wake the fuck up and do something about it, people!” I don’t know if anything will sufficiently get that message through, but it’s understandable that they want to try, and painting Stonehenge orange (reportedly in a non-toxic water-soluble paint that will wash away in the rain) seems like a somewhat effective way to get the attention of the news media.

Climate change, the article literally only uses that term… it’s quite a simple but very important distinction.

It’s climate change since it causes extremes at both ends.

Your ignorance isn’t an excuse.

Yes, the phenomenom under discussion is climate change. Specifically, it’s that change which is a result of the anthropogenic net radiative forcing that increasingly puts more energy into the global climate system, making it less predictable, more dangerous in various ways, and generally warmer, a.k.a. “global warming.”

It’s not a religion. Correct spelling of the magic incantations does not matter. Calling it global warming, like Al Gore did, in casual conversation is fine.

Grow up and stop trying to start fights over stupid bullshit please

It’s not global warming though, it’s climate change because it causes extremes at both ends. It’s extremely important to stop perpetuating the wrong term.

Maybe the one that needs to grow up is the ones not educating themselves on what the correct terms are and how it’s not just “warming”…? Yeah…

Global warming is still a correct term because the globe is warming.

Some areas aren’t getting warmer. But the globe is. Hence global warming, not everywhere without exception warming.

We only moved on to saying climate change because some morons were pushing the same bullshit view that you are - iF gLoBaL wARmiNg iS ReAL hOw CoMe XYZ pLacE wAs CoLdEr tHiS yEaR???4

I’m not sure visibility is really what we need at this point. Is there anyone left on Earth that doesn’t know about it? I think what we need instead is political mobilization and coalition-building to increase our political clout and ultimately win elections and create legislation.

Apparently everyone still doesn’t get how serious it is if they get worked up over paint on Stonehenge more than over the climate catastrophy.

Imagine they spray painted your car and then somebody said why are you mad about your car when the environment is fucked.

I don’t have a car.
And took a job that pays less than other offers, cause it’s within bicycle distance from my home, which I chose cause it’s in a bike-friendly area.
I know the impact is low, but at least I’m not part of the problem. I don’t think I could cut down on my CO2 any more while still living in society.

Okay imagine somebody vandalized your bike and then said you shouldn’t be complaining when the environment is fucked.

The assumption that people think problems need to be solved is just that, an assumption. Conservatives believe in tradition, where problems do not get fixed. Fixing problems = bad, because fixes are changes from tradition.

Most people are somewhere on a scale between conservative and progressive though. But you certainly don’t want to just assume most people want things fixed, it’s unfortunately just not true. It’s just projecting progressive personality traits onto people that have less of them for whatever reason.

So no, not apparently. It’s much, much worse than simple ignorance.

people are aware of it in the sense that it’s a thing that vaguely exists on the horizon

if society doesn’t want to be melted by climate change, that demonstrably isn’t going to be enough to stop it

I’m not so sure. That was probably true before the past decade of record breaking heat waves, intensifying storms, etc.

Now it’s a variety of other problems, from not giving a fuck and hoping god raptures them before then, to having other priorities like the economy and thinking technical solutions will fix it, to not believing it’s human-caused, etc. It’s political hurdles now, convincing people of the importance of helpful measures, as opposed to simply trying to remind them of the problem.

The amount of people justifying calling it global warming is still is kinda shocking to be honest. The ignorance is probably why people are still bringing kt to light.

Theres people in the comments saying it causes warming and that’s why they call it that……

You are right. Sort of, climate crisis would be more appropriate. The word ‘warming’ is not concerning enough, if at all, and doesn’t convey the actual gravity of the current situation very well.

The amount of people justifying calling it global warming is still is kinda shocking to be honest.

I was told for decades by activists and global leaders it was global warming. For example, An Inconvenient Truth says global warming dozens of times. Are you now telling me those people were wrong?

Yes, it’s propaganda lmfao. Wow.

The term warming is used to detract from the truth, this is shocking how few people understand this simple concept used to create propaganda. And the public perpetuates it.

It’s been climate change for decades as well, you’re just eating into the politics like most people here.

Yeah I think awareness where they ruin yachts and private planes is better than destroying common cultural heritage. Wtf

Maybe it’s that this is a better a metaphor for the destruction of the common cultural heritage of the environment? Not many people can relate to or are inconvenienced by a very expensive private boat sinking.

they do that but then nobody cares and it doesn’t make the news

They probably know that if they put corn starch on Stonehenge they’ll be in jail for a few days and get community service, but if they put spray paint on a billionaire’s yacht, they’d get shot.

“It will go away, no harm done” is your stance? Well, there is harm done, if not only on the societies feeling of sanity and security. What was the purpose of that action? To seed shock and “ruffle some feathers”, sow disbalance under the coat of “shaking sleeping people up”.

“No harm done”? Well, then let me waterboard you, hit you, hit your wife and children. The blue specks will go away, no harm done. Your psychological effects? They will go away, seek therapy. You’re still less affected people than the society.

Of course this was sarcasm. But think about what stance you just took and reflect.

Are you suggesting stones suffer psychological effects?

What was the purpose of that action? To seed shock and “ruffle some feathers”, sow disbalance under the coat of “shaking sleeping people up”.

A goal at which it has singularly failed. There’ll be a bit of noise in the papers for a day or two, Stonehenge will be cleaned off with “No harm done” and life will move on with no useful change.

Their stunts were effective the first time or two, but now are largely ignored or even just cause irritation.

If they, indeed we, want to change the trajectory of human caused climate damage we need to build bridges at the community level and bring people together to force the hand of the political class. These stunts don’t do that, they just give ammunition to those who seek to prevent positive change.

Well the top comment was “fuck these people” so if the goal was to build broad public support it is having the opposite effect.

Alternatively, EVERYONE is cheering for those fucking Orcas, so… Imagine being dumber than a whale.

Waiting for news where orcas attack mega yatch.

Please!

Ah but you see then JustStopOil’s millionaire founder might have his expensive toys damaged then.

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