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I mean, there was no such thing as a byzantine. That’s a name we came up with in the modern era to help distinguish between “roman” empires.

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To expand on that it was during the enlightenment in the early renaissance where people had a boner over the Roman Empire but still thought the medieval Roman Empire (Byzantine) to not be cool. So they came up with a new name for it. A declining empire that had a massive beauracracy, spoke Greek and had the wrong brand of Christianity (Orthodox) is not nice enough to create a glorious image like the Pax Romana did.

This of course made a lot of people upset in the then Ottoman empire since they identified as Romans but were not counted as Romans according to western people. Think “You’re not Romans with a glorious history, you’re Byzantines” even though they clearly were.

For extra fun the Byzantine/Roman distinction is also unfair.

  • Eastern Rome always spoke Greek, even at 200AD.
  • Orthodox and Catholic were the same pre-schism.
  • During the decline of the Western Empire the capital was moving a lot anyway so “based in Rome” was soon outdated.
  • During the decline Italy was just another province anyway so “based in Italy” was soon outdated.
  • They were literally the same thing except one half managed to fuck their shit up while getting invaded by hordes of tribes at the same time.
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invaded by hordes of tribes at the same time.

Too much treachery. Maybe if they stopped assassinating their rulers and managed their funds better by continuing to properly fund their military and continuing to pay off the tribes they could’ve lasted a bit longer.

It’s so wild that they survived the Year of the 4 (and 5 and 6) Emperors when you think about it. The entire empire nearly collapses in the third century and what do they do to the man responsible for restoring it? They assassinate him. Or if it’s not the emperor then it’s the head of the military who had been responsible for holding off multiple tribes, negotiating with them and attempting to keep the city of Rome from being ransacked (unsuccessfully). And then you assassinate the emperor responsible and then the new emperor decides to provoke the biggest tribe of them all.

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Maybe it was a good thing that the Roman Empire collapsed. I just wish it had happened before empowering a cult.

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Fuck their shit up by inventing systemic racism

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Oh it’s cute you think the Roman’s invented that.

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Humans are pretty racist by default until they realise that everybody is actually also a human being. “Barbarian” is just a different word for “sub-human” that was used back then. Nowadays we use racial/ethnic/religious/housing status or whatever negative term that’s out of the person’s control to justify instead.

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