In a post-scarcity solarpunk future, I could imagine some reasonable uses, but that’s not the world we’re living in yet.

AI art has already poisoned the creative environment. I commissioned an artist for my latest solarpunk novel, and they used AI without telling me. I had to scrap that illustration. Then the next person I tried to hire claimed they could do the work without AI but in fact they could not.

All that is to say, fuck generative AI and fuck capitalism!

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If the AI isn’t stealing content, then piracy isn’t stealing either.

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Piracy isn’t since it is making exact copies of yer booty

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Would that not mean that AIs aren’t stealing either? 🤔

It would undermine the exact point OP is making, but I understand what he means, so that still stands.

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Either none of it is stealing or all of it is.

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Yes, I’m pro-both. IP only benefits the ultra-rich.

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Unlimited IP protections only benefit the rich. If we return copyright back to its original 25 year limit, it would actually benefit the actual artists because the corpos would have to pay artists for new ideas pretty frequently.

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I really hope more people start believing this. Our current copyright system has been abused and bought by the rich and screws over both consumers and small artists, but “copyright of any form is terrible” is harmful to artists too.

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IP protections don’t protect anyone but the rich in any form, Disney have been caught selling T-shirts with art outright stolen from small artists online buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo and their only punishment was that they had to stop, no admission of liability and they got to keep all the money they made. Hell the guy who invented the underlying concept behind the TV never saw a penny because a radio company decided that it was their invention and managed to drag it out in courts until the patent expired.

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db0 take

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Yes

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Exactly, rules restricting training data are the only way the rich can stop open source models benefitting us all so it’s kinda suspicious there’s a grass roots movement pushing for it…

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So don’t strengthen IP laws. Strengthen labor and antitrust laws.

Say: “You can’t use someone’s own creative work to compete against them in the same market”

Creators get a modicum of protection. The power-grab by the ultra-rich faces a major setback. FOSS models keep on truckin.

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Say: “You can’t use someone’s own creative work to compete against them in the same market”

So just IP laws then? Also would this not literally ban learning

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AI doesn’t steal art. It creates new and unique images, it just uses existing art as inspiration… Like what real artist do.

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This is a deliberate misunderstanding I have seen repeatedly. They don’t mean the AI stole art. They mean the training data used to train the ai stole art and is now being used to lever artists out of the workforce because it’s cheaper.

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The online scrapers just add whatever can be publicly viewed to their datasets. I fail to see how this is any different from actual artists going on the internet to view art to inspire and influence them. Regardless, what exactly do these artists demand? They can’t fight technology and win, this is a futile battle that has been fought and lost many times before. AI art isn’t going anywhere, it’s here to stay and it’ll only get better. No amount of anti-AI posts is going to change this. What exactly is the ultimate goal here?

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