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No shit dude. You need to focus on the present first, though, so that we can continue to work towards that future you speak of. Because right now, the authoritarians threatening to make that future inaccessible are more relevant.

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We’ve been told that since Hillary was running. How long are you all going to keep beating that drum?

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Til we have another choice. That time isn’t now.

Maybe we need to do better to give ourselves that choice. But we haven’t.

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Maybe we need to do better to give ourselves that choice. But we haven’t.

Yea, that’s why everyone’s pissed that we’re still stuck with Biden. Why should we expect it to be any different after he wins this time?

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We have Chase Oliver (Site), and the rest of this thread is just cope, Dems ran the shittiest candidate possible to see what America would accept, and surprise its not Joe, literally every sane person I know has told me they refuse to vote Biden, but keep parroting blue no matter who, like you don’t sound deranged.

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Look, I want fully automated gay space communism as much as the next guy.

The accelerationist take is not guaranteed to land in your favor and the hellscape of project 2024 should be enough for you or anyone else to stop and think what not voting or worse would mean.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=op0yk50uMlQ

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And Project 2025 is now forever part of the Republican platform, so you’re quite literally saying that we will be forever stuck in desperate psuedo-survival mode, choosing the less evil candidate.

No, fuck that, people are tired of that. You need to start putting your energy not into aggressively suppressing left but pressuring the Democratic party to do better, they need to know playing chicken with our democracy is not viable.

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I never said I wasn’t going to vote. I’m just disgusted with the “at least he’s not Trump” strategy.

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2 points

We’ve been told that for much much longer than that.

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10 points

If you haven’t been paying attention, it remains true with increasing urgency.

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And continuing to do the same thing over and over hasn’t fixed it?

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We’ve been told that since Hillary was running.

I didn’t like Hillary one bit. I don’t like Biden much more. But if folks had voted for Hillary, we’d not be in this mess and having this debate right now.

So yeah, maybe this time would be a good time to decide that lesser of two evils is a better choice than greater of two evils.

I hope they swap out Biden so people such as yourself might feel mollified enough not to help Trump get in again. The only thing “better” about Kamala Harris will be that people can STFU about age, but hey, I’ll take what I can get. She’ll pull us further right than Biden would though, mark my word.

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Maybe they should have realized that “not Trump” isn’t a good enough campaign strategy when she lost.

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Harris would also be the first female president and also the first woman of color to be president so we can check that box and stop worrying about it. Hillary’s hubris with wanting to be the first female president blinded her.

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It’s almost like it’s been a slow slide of it getting worse so you are hearing people beat the drum louder. It’s what intelligent people call a logical reaction.

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You need to focus on the present first

That’s literally why the Democrats keep getting away with the pied piper shit and why things will never improve, that thinking right there.

It’s why they’ll always find and actively prop up the most extreme fascist to face off against to make their own terrible candidadte look better.

If Biden steps down it won’t be because of people like you. It will be because of the people who made it clear that they would not vote for Biden simply because he was the less evil.

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So you want to throw away our democracy in order to teach the Dems a lesson? Have you ever considered the outcome of that? Grow up, and realize that sometimes we have to settle for the imperfect to ensure our future. You have no understanding of just how damaging another Trump term would be to America’s most vulnerable groups. That’s simply not acceptable to those of us who are actually considering the REALITY of our current system, instead of being led by emotion and frustration at its unfair nature.

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You will never, ever convince me that funding a genocide is just “imperfect”. Fuck genocide apologetics. Grow up.

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He’s complicit

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