Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.

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I agree that Ukraine has lost land due to the US/NATO stopping Russia-Ukraine peace deals and talks in 2022.

I am anti-war, so peace deals should be at the forefront; war is a Last Resort[1].

Many on the ‘far left’ and ‘far right’ say:

NATO is a terrorist organization.


[1] Papa Roach - Last Resort 2020 (Explicit) [03:22 | Rap, Rock, USA, In English, Rap Metal, Mental Health, Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu-Metal] https://youtu.be/D2Jl27lYExU

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What peace deals were those? Must’ve missed them.

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The peace deal where Ukraine gives up its territory.

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And then Moldova, and then Lithuania, and then Northern Finland, and then I pinky promise peace.

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not even peace deal, that was ceasefire. when all that was given up only then russians wanted to negotiate peace deal

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It was a peace deal where Russia would have withdrawn to Feb 23 2022 positions, hostilities would stop and Ukraine would agree not to join NATO. Boris Johnson flew in and said that NATO would give them money to keep fighting. Fast forward two years later and we have tens of thousands more dead Ukrainians and much more lost territory, and a terrible negotiating position.

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Remember Chamberlain? He made his allies submit to german concessions because that would maintain peace. Fast forward five years and we had 40+ million more dead Europeans and the continent bombed to rubble.

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Please cite an official Russian source putting forward that offer.

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The ones where Ukraine agrees to defund its military completely and stop asking for aid and Russia paints a little smiley face on their bombs in order to seem more friendly of course!

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Oh yeah, the one that goes “cut my land into pieces, for oligarchs’ resorts”

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This sounds like something stupid Joe Rogan would say lol

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Do you watch Joe Rogan directly or do you just watch people that talk about him and tell you what to think about him?

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The guy got famous making people eat blended rats. I don’t need to listen to his podcast to know I don’t give a shit what he has to say.

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If you are anti-wat, you hoyos be against Russia starting them in the first place or at the very least support making it not worth it in the future. Forcing Ukraine to give up territory is neither of those.

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Dear god you are tiresome

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You do know “You agree to stop protecting yourself and I’ll consider potentially maybe not bombing your orphanages and hospitals nearly as often, possibly.” is not a Respectable Peace Deal

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As a European I’m so gratefull people didn’t “go for talks” on that day they stormed the beaches… sometimes you have to actually fight for your ideals and not water them down every time they are opposed…

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