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6 points

You are completely wrong.

Imagine assigning to each floor a whole number.

Every time you go down a floor, the number should be decremented by 1, every time you go up a floor the number should be incremented by 1.

In order to get symmetry, floor 0 should be the ground floor - not floor 1. What maniac would assign floor 0 to the first basement floor?

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15 points

They don’t though, they start with B1, B2, B3…

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In Europe they do though. The elevators at my office have a -1 button for the floor below the ground floor.

Also, the ground floor is indicated as 0.

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Yes, but I was talking about assigning numbers from a logical perspective, not a conventional one.

Also, why is it called B1 for the first basement floor but not E1 (for elevated) for the floor above ground floor?

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Americans always focus on facades, and think about buildings as commodities. The logic is that in the American conception, each floor is a floor-to-ceiling architectural layer, as viewed from the front of a building. So you think:

B2 - Second layer below visibility B1 - First layer below visibility 1 - First visible layer 2 - Second visible layer 3 - Third visible layer

“How many layers am I paying for, when I buy this building? Sir, If you buy 7 layers at this low, low price. I will throw in an 8th layer for free!” “OMG did you hear Frank’s new house has 4 layers! Frank has way more status than Bob and his paltry two layer building.”

Whereas in most countries, the conception is that a floor is each literal floor you pass as you go up or down while traveling inside a building.

-2 - I’ve descended two floors -1 - I’ve descended one floor 0 - I haven’t gone up or down since I entered this building 1 - I’ve ascended one floor 2 - I’ve ascended two floors

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Beats me, I think in games it’s common to see 1F, 2F, 3F… (in Pokemon for example would be 1st Floor = 1F)

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1 point

Probably for the same reason we write -1 for the first integer below zero, but 1 instead of +1 for the first one above.

It might be more consistent to write more, but we’re lazy and everyone knows what it means.

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Don’t you see how that’s such an obviously ugly and mathematically unsatisfying retrofit to make your shit work?

B2 B1 1 2 3

vs

-2 -1 0 1 2

And what the hell do you even do in a situation where 0 is at street level but -1 opens on a backyard or something. It’s clearly not a basement, but it’s clearly not the ground floor either.
Or do you never build an elevator in such buildings in order not to trigger massive cognitive dissonance?

EDIT: Holy shit there is another layer to this hypocrisy cake. Americans swear up and down that they have to write “12/11” because they say “12th of September”, but their floor notation is literally “B1” for “First Basement”. Clearly the only rule they follow is that they’ll do whatever is least logical and convenient just to piss off everyone who is forced to work with them.

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Main entrance determines the position of the ground floor. If your basement leads to a backyard that leads to another street, it’s just a basement access.

Unless you declare the basement entrance to be the main entrance, then the initial ground level entrance is not on the ground floor anymore. So it’s pretty much up to your discretion how you handle it.

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4 points

It’s fairly common to have G for ground, and LG for lower ground. Then B1 for the first basement level and 2 for the floor above ground.

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2 points

I’ve been in an elevator that had -0.5, 0, 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, where each half floor opened the doors on the opposite side literally half a story up

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3 points

In order to get symmetry, floor 0 should be the ground floor

Floor 0 is “not in the building”, nobody calls first/ground “0” in reality

Then, we apply your own logic of adding a floor on going up to include “going in” and vice versa for “going out” and we get why the US does it the way we do

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2 points

I don’t get what you’re saying. Why wouldn’t floor 0 be in the building if we started assigning numbers to floors?

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0 is nothing, non-existent, etc., so it represents not being in the building, where there is no floor (we call it ground)

It’s the first floor that you encounter of a building, not the zeroeth floor you encounter

Normal human convention is to count physical existing items from 1, I wouldn’t say I’m wearing 0 shirts right now at work for example, or that I’m wearing 1 shoe

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I guess in your example, for us the ground is 0. Up one floor (i.e. Into a building) is the first floor. Down from the ground is the first basement, or B1.

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