Has anyone else noticed how prevalent Hexbear posters have suddenly become? Maybe sometime last week I noticed nearly every political post had at least one long thread of Hexbear users that do nothing but repeat CCP talking points while waving anyway anything even remotely reliable as Western propaganda. That or getting all excited about trolled libs. The way they tell it, you’d think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people.

Not to mention, their info on the Fediverse observer is either straight up wrong or there’s some serious botting going on. According to that, the instance is less than a month old, yet somehow they already have one of the largest, most active userbases, along with far and away the most comments of any instance.

Seems to me like Lemmygrad on steroids. Considering we defederated from them, seems like a no-brainer to block Hexbear as well.

So glad this thread could become such a perfect microcosm of why we need to defederate.

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Let’s not pretend that your politics aren’t inherently authoritarian as well.

Either you support capitalism (or worse), which is grossly authoritarian as it inflicts massive violence not only via warfare but through mass starvation and deprivation, or you support socialism, in which case you have two options:

  1. The violent overthrow of the current system (spoiler alert: that’s a very authoritarian thing to do!)

  2. The gradual reform of the current system, meaning maintaining the status quo for an exceptionally long time as we ever so slowly creep our way to a more just economic system while countless people starve, go homeless, die without healthcare, end up in yet-another war and so on (which is a very authoritarian proposition, just throwing away the lives of the poor in your own country-not to mention those in the developing world-just so you can have a neat and tidy reformist approach that doesn’t rock the boat.)

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Hey, what about this tangentially-connected thing from 70 years ago?

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Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting.

Hey America (and Canada, UK, Australia, etc.), how ya doing?

✅ Rejection of political plurality (See: Range of acceptable thought among mainstream political parties; Also, consider some self-reflection)

✅ Strong central power to preserve the political status quo (See: Mainstream media apparatus, spanning news, movies, tv, etc.)

✅ Reductions in the rule of law (See: Absolute failure to hold politicians or corporations accountable)

✅ Reductions in the separation of powers (See: Politicians funded by and catering to corporate interests)

✅ Reductions in democratic Voting (See again: Politicians funded by and catering to corporate interests + absolute failure to hold politicians accountable; Also see: Rampant gerrymandering, erosion of voters’ right, zero democracy in the workplace or outside of political elections)

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No see you’re allowed to decide if the guy with the blue tie or the guy with the red tie is your representative (uh… if you live in one of the handful of districts that are competitive anyway) so that means it cant be authoritarian. God I love our illusion of democracy. It makes me feel so nice.

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So we have to pretend political plurality is inherently and self evidently good now?

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Hey! The guy in the red tie and the guy in the blue tie disagree slightly on one issue! The ability to decide between them is true freedom!

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rejectetion of political plurality

use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo

reductions in the rule of law

authoritarianism is characterized by reductions in the rule of law?? what???

separation of powers

and Democratic voting

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authoritarianism is characterized by reductions in the rule of law?? what???

Here, “rule of law” means roughly “all people are equal before the law” (that is, you don’t have a group of people who are above it).

Emojis unrelated

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Using wikipedia as a reference for political ideology is like asking W Bush which countries are good and bad

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I wonder who made that definition.

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I didn’t say everything is authoritarian, I specifically stated your politics as being authoritarian.

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wanna explain how that definition applies to us??? it’s really easy to just point at a wikipedia article but you’re not really proving anything by just stating an extremely loaded definition.

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