Comment by BorgDrone@lemmy.one on The EU has finally won this one!

Lightning is/was actually pretty great. Also remember that it was introduced before USB-C even existed.

You can always tell the Apple fans, can’t you? This cable was hated by everyone when it came out because it broke everyones docks.

It also wasnt much faster, in fact, I’m almost positive the first phones were throttled, not unlike the new iPhone’s with type c.

Yeah, it’s amazing what people will stand up for. It’s quite odd.

I think the problem is that between lightning cables and USB-C, one is made by an asshole company who wants you to use it for your phone and literally nothing else, and one is useful for your phone and literally everything else.

lightning suffered the same fate as FireWire before it: excellent protocol that would have benefited the users with mass adoption, hampered by Apple and their co-developers (in lightning’s case, Intel) charging too steep of licensing fees, rendering them niche

USB-C wasn’t really useful for anything when Lightning was introduced, on account of it not even existing as a spec, let alone actual hardware, until 2 years later.

Funnily enough, Apple co-developed USB, introduced it in their laptops and everyone complained.

They complained because they literally stripped away most or all the usb-a’s in that process, forcing people to have to use hubs.

Apple does this shit all the time, and people always hate it.

Apple is successful dongle company that also makes some hardware.

Because they ONLY did it to the laptops, you fuck. People complain about change just to complain it changed.

No need to insult me. Are you a teenager?

No need to simp for a trillion dollar company, are you a paid troll?

I’m not simping. Is that your alt?

Connection technology was good, but materials used in cable and design of strain release was horrible. Never seen a cable disintegrate without any reason after couple of years.

Funnily enough my first ever Lightning cable that came with my iPod Touch 5G is so worn out you can see the 4 wires in it. Insulation and shield are completely gone at one end but it still works fine.

Thats how fires start.

Incidentally, I have a micro USB cable that came with my Nokia N97 (must be 2012 or something).

It’s flawless still and even after more than 10 years of service (now charging my xbox controller) it’s working fine.

I’ve tried purchasing identical “original” cables of same kind since then, but they all last a few months before getting lose our stop connecting.

5v are not going to start a fire 😅

Depends on the components you attach.

Something rated for 3v will start smoking, and if it is touching something flammable, it can start a fire.

I totally have.

Just not on a cable I paid $30 for because I don’t buy overpriced trash.

So… every Apple first party cable?

It cost tens of millions of dollars to engineer a product that disintegrates on their own

At the time it came out, definitely, considering its main competitors for a standardised connector were Mini USB and Micro USB, which were serviceable but not that great…

Could be worse though, you could’ve been stuck with “superspeed” Micro USB like some folks were, those were just plain awful to use.

pretty sure my samsung Note had that

The problem with mini and micro was that they were asymmetrical and very small, imo. at least you could tell which side the indent was on without looking with superspeed. Good luck getting it in the hole without looking, though.

I’m pretty sure Samsung released a couple phones with it. The Note 3, S5, and I think the active that year had it. I worked in retail then and everyone in awhile people would come in looking for the specific cable and had no idea it would charge with standard micro USB.

Fun fact: Apple was part of the group that designed USB-C

Also why is it awesome on iPad Pros since years but no good on iPhones? The marketing was always contradicting itself.

I think they did promise to (it suggest they would?) support the lightning connector for a decade when they changed it from their original big connector.

I’m not naive enough to think that takes precedence over “money” as an answer, but maybe it was a factor?

I’d wager part of it was because of the outrage when they switched from the 30 pin was significant

When was that? Was Obama already president? Move on, people.

The reason is money.

It’s more complicated than that. There are lots of people that will be very annoyed when they unbox their iPhone and their plug that they don’t think about at all doesn’t work in the 7 places they’ve left them.

Just wait.

Those Apple cables die very quickly, so replacing them with longer lasting cables is actually cost effective.

Sure, instead of 1 cable every 3 months it is 7 cables at the same time, but still no excuse.

I already did this moving from micro to USB-C and it wasn’t that bad. Plus if they’re apple people and have MacBooks/iPads they already got a few.

That was really weird, actually. Apple was frustrated that the USB consortium wasn’t making progress. So they developed Lightning. Then sent people there to help develop USB-C, when they already had a competing connector…

They should’ve been more patient, and sent people there directly, before developing a competitor, and adopted USB-C from the start.

With that move, they isolated themselves and their customers. It’s this arrogant “we’re smarter than anybody else” attitude they show sometimes, that irks a lot of people and end up being detrimental for their image. (And I say this as a long time Apple customer).

Nah it was a great move, earned them a couple billions in licensing fees

To the disadvantage of literally everyone

Capitalism in a nutshell.

And their shareholders

Yeah alternative was MicroUSB which is dogshit.

I’m using my wife’s old android for YouTube. It has a microusb port and I really hate it.

Lighting was leaps better than that, but usb-c is really the king of ports at the moment.

No hate, but I cannot fathom feeling the way you do about Micro USB and not spending $200 on some of the very solid Android phones that have come out in the 9 years since USB C has been the standard.

I only started using it like a month ago and I’m already looking at a used galaxy s10e. They are like $140 where I live. But I will get a new iPhone first.

It’s the king of ports at the moment but I have concerns about the fact there’s that “prong” in the middle of the female connector. It seems like it could be something to break. I did like the fact there wasn’t anything in the middle of the lightning port, made it seem more durable to me over time (at least the port side, but that’s what you want with these things…)

Nevermind that the same connector could be USB 3.1 Gen X fuckton-gigabit, USB4, Thunderbolt 3 or 4… USB needs to learn from the WiFi groups recent rename scheme…

Lightening cables have easy to clean contacts and a hard to break jack, I have broken many many usb-c cables just stepping on them or rolling over them with an office chair or getting filled with lint on the inside of the jack.

This is the only valid opinion.

Perhaps one day we get a magnetic replacement for USB-C.

Why a replacement? You can already buy usb c cables with detachable magnetic heads if you fancy that

Fair enough, an officially sanctioned extension would also be fine!

Because it is usb-c, the magnetised version is also officially sanctioned.

We can call it the USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Magnets, How Do They Work Edition

Would be a nice thing to have in the spec for the cable, as those ones aren’t compliant with the spec, and can in some cases cause problems, like on disconnect it might be possible for one of the PD pins to short against one of the data pins before the side delivering power has had time to process the disconnect.

It’s a pretty specific edge case and I’m sure not a problem most people have had or will run into, but would be nice if it could be part of the spec.

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