Comment by Mokey [none/use name]@hexbear.net on Literally taking away the bread and circuses

I dont understand how there isnt a mass exodus from youtube already, whats keeping people there? If they pulled this shit in 2005 itd be done for.

There isn’t a competing video platform.

Video data is really really big. Not many have the resources to store it forever and send it globally on demand. And also pay money back to the creators who upload the videos in the first place.

Vidme tried and failed, not profitable.

Vimeo is not comparable, it’s for corporate/work/advertising videos. Not for consumers.

What the fuck is Dailymotion?

Netflix is curated shows, not comparable.

Sky is paid sports on TV, not comparable.

Nebula only works because viewers have to pay, not to mention that uploading to Nebula is extremely exclusive due to their high standards for creators. It makes sense that Nebula exists - but it isn’t a YouTube competitor.

The only other free consumer video platform right now is TikTok, which is only suited for short vertical videos.

A competitor to YouTube that does the same thing is not possible. Only a megacorp like Google has the money to throw away.

ByteDance could probably afford to make a western-facing youtube clone, but there’s presumably enough competition in China that they wouldn’t bother doing something just for the west.

This is making me wonder, what are the Chinese youtube equivalents? IIRC Weibo’s more of a twitter. Is it just BiliBili?

That’s the place where the videos are

It costs a lot of money to host all that video

massive backlog of content, only place creators can easily make money from uploading vids I’m pretty sure, so the big creators will never switch, and a lot of smaller creators have at least a fantasy of making it big if their vids go viral, if not a goal. Honestly a government would have to step in a break up YT at this point, it’s got a monopoly on vids and I don’t think any platform will ever be able to break it tbh.

Boomer take

With the attention span of Zoomers and younger generations, TikToks will be everything that anybody needs as nobody can watch videos longer than 3 minutes anyways

There are two types of videos. 3 minute ticktoks and 2 hour video essays about “Hegelian philosophy hidden in the Adventures of the Gummi Bears”

Bouncing here and zhere, schniff, and everywhere, and scho on.

There are also 10-hour “analysis” videos of video games that are inexplicably just narrating a playthrough with almost no actual analysis present.

There’s a few of these that immediately come to mind, like the Oblivion one that was 12 hours long or something.

I think it would be much better if the first section of the analysis was a brief rundown of the game and its content, and then the rest of the video was devoted to certain themes, where those themes take place (by bringing up some parts of the content in more detail) and how those themes are used by the game developers intentionally or unintentionally, but that’s considerably more work than just narrating over a Let’s Play and saying “This is good” or “This sucks”

The first channel that comes to mind is Joseph Anderson. I have no idea how his videos became so popular when his “critiques” are just reciting the plot of games.

He’s got some good videos, but I agree that the Witcher stuff (the bulk of his output for the last three years) is definitely like a shitty abridged LP

Video essays remain a very popular and successful medium. Channels like Caddicarus have actually SWITCHED from frequent shorter content to occasional longform content because it does better for them.

TikTok pays like shit.

People keep saying this but it really doesn’t hold up. Moistcritikal videos get viewed like crazy and the guy posts 2-3 videos of himself rambling at a camera every day, each 10-20 minutes long, no jumpcuts or loud noises either. The daily Hasanabi videos are all easily 30 minutes long. Hell, MrBeast videos are all well over 10 minutes long as well. Wendigoon has seen a meteoric rise over the past year and his videos are all hour long stories about creeypasta stuff etc. Iceberg videos have been a huge trend and those are all really long as well.

The theory that people’s attention spans keep getting shorter and people can’t watch longer videos anymore doesn’t match up with the trends on Youtube. Videos are not getting shorter, not at all.

The theory that people’s attention spans keep getting shorter and people can’t watch longer videos anymore doesn’t match up with the trends on Youtube.

well… there’s a few things about that. Within youtube itself there are different incentives than there might be on other platforms, and changes in rules, recommendation algorithms, and advertising methods have all contributed to shaping what kind of content does well as much or more than people’s attention spans or preferences. There was a time when short videos were king, but changes to monetization and such shifted away from that.

But if you look industry wide there has been an explosion in the short form stuff. it’s not prima facie evidence of declining attention spans but it is a real trend that has probably brought the average down.

IMO it’s just two different ways to retain attention: a long drawn out explanation or story with the promise of some payoff where it all comes together or builds to a big moment (often lacking), versus rapid fire content coming at you so fast it doesn’t even really matter if its that good as long as its stimulation.

the “declining attention span” thing feels real in other ways though. Most people I know couldn’t sit down and read a book for any length of time if they tried.

People have been saying this about the attention spans of the youths at LEAST since Television dropped, and probably since books dropped

People have been saying this about the attention spans of the youths at LEAST since Television dropped, and probably since books dropped

Yep. Plato wrote about being worried that the rise of literacy rates among the youth would rot their brains, because they’d never have to memorize stuff if they could just write it down.

There’s actually some merit to that. People have a harder time remembering things that they know are written down and retrievable (because there’s less need)

Absolute horseshit, the kids watch long form content at 2x speed. They still want it, they just want it ‘faster’. This will also continue to change when they get old and everything slows down for them.

I watch stuff on 2x speed because people speak at 1/2 pace. I think people do it because it increases the video length for ads

back in my day, we watched 5 hour video essays about Goof Troop

Youtube has that fake tiktok “shorts” feature, but I’m pretty sure it’s just people reposting content from tiktok and other short-form video sites.

There are a couple youtube natives who make the original content there and then export to tiktok

Back in my day, we didn’t have 5 hour video essays, we only had 10 minute videos. And even that was considered too long back then.

I still remember RLM’s Plinkett reviews being cut into separate 10 minute uploads

We used to watch horrible quality uploads of anime fansubs uploaded to YouTube in three parts.

Social media changes incredibly quickly. Think of how recently TikTok came onto the scene, and how it changed every other site. Reddit made the worst video player ever to try to copy TikTok.

That is the only example in the last 10 years and they only ‘succeeded’ because bytedance was willing to burn tens of billions of dollars.

10 years is not that long in terms of business. I remember a time when MySpace and LiveJournal felt too big to ever be surpassed.

People did try to leave in the late 2000s/early 2010s

I remember when all the big critics (which were popular style of video at the time) movied to Blip.TV

i tried to switch to vimeo back in 2011 and they deleted my shit (gameplay videos) because it wasn’t “artistic” enough. instantly went walk of shaming back to youtube

WTF? Vimeo is for finding full episodes ofbshows that get deleted from youtube instantly. When did they get so pretentious?

They always have. I think at one point you had to pay to have your stuff hosted there. It made sense if you say, made an art house movie with lots of boobies and didn’t want it blocked on youtube.

Video hosting is expensive is the main reason. Only google has the money and they can’t even make it profitable

Whats stopping them? A couple things, is my guess.

How many hours of garbage are uploaded there, every minute? The bar for entry is nonexistent. All you need is a webcam.

YouTube will lose its crown eventually but there is nothing waiting in the wings as a replacement. Yet.

Patiently waiting for China’s video service to show up and be much better.

That’s Bilibili ain’t it? And Youku too, I suppose

Yeah, true. But I think it would need to gain some significant traction in English language countries for me to start using it the way that I do with YouTube.

TikTok sorta has. Though it mostly claimed the short formats that youtube seemed to have abandoned when it dropped

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