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Do people think Hamas wouldn’t hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren’t a concern

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So, that justifies killing civilians?

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2 points

To not kill babies and people in hospital care. Innocent life is never worth the victory, no matter what the propganda has told you.

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26 points

no, that justifies invading a hospital

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Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians?

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Tbf you’d have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff

That or lay siege to it but uh… that’d be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point.

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That’s literally war. Become a general/propose a way to kill /apprehend people that look like civilians while hiding in civilian places

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ok but if they’re hiding in a hospital you dont need to bomb it? or do anything to it? hiding is not hurting anyone.

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hiding is not hurting anyone.

The assholes in the hospital are still shooting at the assholes outside the hospital. Though I still agree the assholes outside shouldn’t be bombing it just to get at the assholes inside.

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we saw this in Bosnia and Rwanda, too. This is similar to Bosnia/Serbia/Yugoslavia in a lot of way (especially the siege of Saraievo).

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Depends. Are they artillery spotters. Are they leadership trying to claim to be in a safe you can’t tag me zone. Did they just momentarily hide their guns too. Ya gotta secure that shit one way or another otherwise you’ll get another massacre.

There are no good answers

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For conflicts like this leadership that is planning attacks or otherwise leading forces that are doing attacking, simply existing anywhere outside a prison cell is threatening. Hamas leadership knows that, they’re the ones putting hostpitals at risk by being there.

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right, but my point is, however inconvenient it is, we always have a choice not to bomb hospitals. People take human shields, you don’t have to shoot through the human shields.

Do I have all the answers? No, but people go to school for war. Surely this has come up before at some point in the last 20,000 years?

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15 points

I think Hamas is hiding inside your house. What, do people think Hamas wouldn’t hide inside your house?

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Do you consider that a good rebuttal. Truly a childish mind. Of course you can’t comprehend complex situations

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-1 points

“Oh yeah? Well you’re a dumb kid who can’t think smart thoughts”

Fucking gotem

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80 points

Do people think that there can’t be two bad guys in a story? This isn’t a good vs evil fight.

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Do people think that there can’t be two bad guys in a story?

You’re not going to like the answer…

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36 points

“Good guys” are a myth invented by Hollywood to sell action figures

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8 points

This is a war between two terrorist organizations, one of them is funded by the United States.

We are funding terrorism. Your tax dollars are going to infant murder.

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5 points

Same as it ever was

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9 points

It truly is a wonder some can’t think that far

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4 points

Really disappoints me.

In some ways, this might reflect the futility of multi party systems. At the end of the day, coalitions of multiple groups are still split into two camps of government and opposition. We have to stop seeing every conflict as us vs them.

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Hamas and Hezbollah are not the public of Palestine. So it raises the question if anybody cares. Netanyahu has made it clear to the rest of us he does not.

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They look just like the public and fighting from where the public lives. What is Israel to do? Just accept getting massacred.

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Does getting massacred justify massacring tenfold? I’m pretty sure the United States emmisaries had this very conversation with the state of Israel.

The thing is, Hamas and Hesbollah see provoking Israel to disproportionate reprisal as a worthwhile gambit. They know Netanyahu is glad to enact genocide justified by retaliation to terror. But now the world will get to watch the horrors of war under Israeli jackboots. And it will be ugly, and the world may have opinions about the Israeli state doing ugly things. The general opinion from the international community is changing. Along with the US’ unconditional support of a regional bully.

There are better ways. But Israeli state has rejected all alternatives, and is glad to throw stormtroopers into the mix.

And yes, the people of Israel, by a significant majority don’t want an overkill response. They want a path towards peace. But the far right does like us vs. them dynamics to consolidate power. It’s the same playbook Trump uses.

I’m not an expert. I don’t know how to fix this, but the experts were shown the door, so here we are. 👀

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