129 points

This it the bottom so far you mean.

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36 points

Next bottom is whether the infants are conspirators or not.

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84 points

Even better, infant body armor

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26 points

How did you get hold of Hamas training materiel?

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5 points

OK, that’s absolutely fucked up.

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Is that Baby Boomerangutan?

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Its hard to imagine how it could dive down even further but to their credit those mossad lads are clever propagandists. But I don’t know like.

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36 points

Sadly war sucks ass.

If it was a command post then there must be a path for Israel to attack. It’s not like Hamas gets to use “one weird trick” to exclude their command center from being a valid target.

If Israel thought it was a military target, did every thing else right, but sucked up then it’s a sucky product of urban war.

If Israel knew it was really only a hospital and attacked anyway — then they are morally and strategically fucked. Rightfully so. (Kinda like how other countries have also overreacted to a terrorist attack and gone after the wrong target).

And of course the reality of all this probably doesn’t matters because a large number of people make up their mind first and from then on ignore and other intelligence even when it’s gathered.

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31 points

as usual with this shit show of a conflict, it seems both sides are awful: hamas used the hospital as a command post which means israel has to be able to attack it, however attacking it with indiscriminate shelling is absolutely unacceptable

both entities are completely unacceptable… debating which one is more so is outrageous, and if anyone “sides” with either one they’re morally corrupt, brainwashed, or too stupid to comprehend anything but binaries

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Sadly war sucks ass.

Don’t try to justify the mass murder of innocent, injured and sick civilians, including children and infants. There’s literally nothing that excuses dropping bombs on hospitals. And schools. And trucks full of refugees. And people’s homes. And ambulances.

It is interesting how the same US political ideology that supports this mass murder of children are, generally, also the ones who consider zygotes to be children and criminalize pregnant women for having miscarriages. But I digress.

The point is, it’s all a bullshit power play, don’t let it distract you from your own humanity.

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those mossad lads are clever propagandists

I believe Mossad is special forces and intelligence gathering, not PR/propaganda dissemination. These are the agencies you’re thinking of. That’s like saying Navy Seals or the CIA are responsible for white house press briefings.

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6 points

I honestly wonder what the fuck every israeli intel agency was doing, it as the anniversary of the Yom Kippur war, how did they not see SOMETHING coming is beyond my ability to comprehend

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87 points

Judging from the comments, we can go lower.

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24 points

“Truly this is the bottom”

Conservatives everywhere brandishing shovels: “Challenge accepted”

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8 points

Someone just called this post “pearl clutching” in this very thread. We’re fucked.

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Dang dude, I guess everyone upset over the October 7th Hamas attacks are “pearl clutching” because Israelis died. “It’s just war, bro”

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Just wait until they find out about the Iraqi war. 1 million dead civilians. We technically committed genocide based on a lie.

No one from that administration has been held accountable despite us now knowing that they knew it was a lie at the time (WMDs). If there was any justice Dick Cheney would have been hung long ago.

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I like your outlook. Besides your general observation of the Lemmy hivemind, let us know what you think about the conflict itself

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It’s like everyone’s opinion is “my tribe is always right and deserves all the sympathy, the other tribe is always wrong and deserves all the suffering”. No one cares about solutions or examining why a conflict has persisted for 80 years. Humans are so predictable.

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It’s not even “my tribe”.

Hardly anyone posting here is Israeli or Palestinian. It’s just distracting nonsense to divide us. Pick a side plebs. Look, those people have picked the other side. Hate them!

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9 points

Hey this guy hasn’t picked a side, get them!

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To be fair it isn’t the Israeli or Palestinian population is their governments. The populations are just sorta a second thought given both seem to be majority against it.

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5 points

Fighting a culture war to prevent you fighting a class war.

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6 points

I wish two groups of people determined to kill each other could take it away from the civilian population, to say nothing of using human shields and attacking irrespective of potential collateral damage and non combatant deaths

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More like two groups of people determined to kill civilian populations. Keeping it away from civilians would defeat the whole purpose.

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I think it’s older than 80 years. I recall reading about old men spitting at each other over rights to fuck the prettiest goat in Mesopotamia way before Churchill took a shit.

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No, we’re finding new ways to commit familicide though!

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2 points

Humans are manipulable, especially in large numbers. Humans are violent, but not irrational. It takes convincing for that.

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6 points

People are absolutely irrational, especially in groups

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Didn’t K say a person is smart, people are dumb. Something along those lines.

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Individually, humans are erratic, not irrational. Seeing action without reason is very rare, the thing is that the reason that lead them is often flawed. Group dynamics are a whole different beast tho, they could be described as irrational.

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The irony in this post is palpable.

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Love your humour dude

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“It’s like people refuse to acknowledge the wrongdoings of their own tribe.”

FTFY

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Enlightened, middle-ground centrist. We found you.

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Friendly reminder that a defining characteristic of a fascist is drawing hard in-group out-group lines.

(And another is the fetishization and glorification of violence against the out-group)

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Wait, I’m even more confused. Are you saying the OP who posted is creating the demarcations for groups?

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4 points

“Only a sith deals in absolutes!”

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Would that still count if it’s “In group = civilians” " out group = organizations killing civilians"?

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yup agreed?

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And if it turns out that the accusation Hamas was using the basement as a command post is true, is that the new bottom?

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Using the hospital for anything other than helping people is a bottom. They are both trash entities.

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And fun fact: bombing/attacking a hospital is not a war crime per the Geneva Conventions Article 52, if it is being used as a military objective.

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Might be a fun fact but it is not correct. Article 52 of the fourth convention is not related to hospitals. Article 52 of the 1st additional protocol is related to hospitals and it does not mean what you are saying it does. Geneva conventions do not define war crimes, that definition is given in the ICC Rome statutes.

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I mean, that makes a certain degree of sense, because if using protected places as a place to put one’s military operations doesn’t remove that protection, then it would become a common strategy to intentionally use vulnerable civilians as shields in that manner, and since no military is realistically going to just let their opponent attack them without a response when capable of delivering one, such a scenario would just lead to the whole idea of places like hospitals being protected being abandoned.

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Oh ok phew. I didn’t know it wasn’t a war crime per the Geneva convention article 52. Keep bombing those infants, baby! Woohoo!

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9 points

We will have to see. Both sides have all the incentive to lie.

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2 points

Both populations Palestine and Israel hate their leadership and want them gone.

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Both are trash but one has been killing for decades…

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Ehm, both have been killing for decades. Palestine consistently had about 10x the losses Israel had.

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I mean what’s worse: using a human shield, or deciding “nah fuck them kids shoot through them anyway.”

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What if they were shooting your kids while hiding behind their own? Would you let them keep doing it while insisting that reprisals are off limits?

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Yeah, this is the problem I’m having with people picking sides. It’s a giant crap-pile of the worst of humanity. People act like there’s a good side. Nah, everything’s a mess of generational hatred and I hate it all.

There needs to be a cease-fire. Hamas needs to release all hostages and then be permanently removed from power in Gaza, and Israel needs to help the Palestinians rebuild what has been destroyed, burry their dead with dignity and respect, and heavily compensate the families of those who have died.

The whole thing is out of control

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There’s an infinite spectrum between “not shooting children” and “letting the other guy shoot yours”

Also, this “oh we’re so much better and civilized” act really falls short when it has to be explained to you why shooting children is still bad even when you do it.

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False dilemma. There are ways to react that don’t involve shooting children.

Even if there weren’t, I wouldn’t say “yeah shoot some children.”

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Wouldn’t proportionality be a thing here? Reprisals would be acceptable if they did not result in a disproportionate loss of innocent civilians. Unfortunately it seems like Palestinian children’s lives are much cheaper than Israeli lives. I hate saying it because I think all children deserve protection regardless of the actions of the people in power, be it hamas or idf.

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But they’re not. Unless you’re claiming all Palestinian kids are Hamas, and then if you are, or if your ready to punish an entire people for the actions of an extremist group, you’re committing war crimes and are well on your way to Genocide.

So maybe a more tactical approach would be better for everyone.

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Well, didn’t take long at all to find a new low.

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Yes? What kind of question is that? If you answer no to that you’re saying I’m no better than them, and if you’re ok with that then what is your moral high ground here?

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Hamas barely has any power against Israel and two wrongs don’t make a right. Killing children is off limits period. Dosen’t matter who is hiding behind them. Also the children are not Hamas’s kids. If you decide to shoot a innocent child you deserve go to hell there is no buts.

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Still not a good reason to kill babies…

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I would resign on the spot if I ever got an order like that. I don’t care if Nazis are resurrecting Hitler in the basement of the hospital, I can’t trade babies and children as acceptable collateral.

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Because you actually exhibit humanity

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They had tunnels under it and the Israelis needed an excuse for having hit a Hospital when they were carpet bombing. So, no, there was no command post. No one shall ever be shown anything but the photos which could have been taken anywhere. None of which would change the bottom that bibi and hamas are the same picture.

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Demanding an evacuation of a hospital full of patients, under the threat of bombardment, only for those patients to die of complications for not being treated, this is just a more silent mass murder.

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It would be cool if Hamas didn’t fire rockets from the vicinity of schools of hospitals though wouldn’t it?

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13 points

These two points are not antithetical.

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There’s definitely no possibility that Israel does stuff like that and then blames it on its enemies to justify its actions. No way.

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LMAO, wait, your argument is that Hamas doesn’t use human shields, and it’s all Israeli propaganda?

Hamas has been openly, proudly discussing their use of the Palestinian civilians a human shields for… Basically forever.

This isn’t unique to Hamas, it’s a common trait of all jihadist groups. Innocent victims are rewarded for their faith in heaven, and evil victims are punished in hell. So I’m their warped mind there’s no moral consequence for murdering or endangering civilians. Please let that sink in before you continue to support them.

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It would be cool if the counter battery from a highly technical country hit the rockets instead of collapsed the building. Which is entirely possible.

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