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What do you propose? Just accept the massacres?

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Advocate for shit that would actually change things.

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Enforce our ban on domestic abusers owning firearms. We already passed it, but no one enforces it. It would eliminate a huge chunk of gun violence in the nation, but its not as appealing to the mob as the “assault style” ban.

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Or both?

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One is favored by both sides of the aisle and has already been passed. There are yet more measures that are favored by a vast majority of the population and have data to support their effectiveness. We should start with the low hanging fruit before we start climbing the tree.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

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What do you propose?

I guess I’d ask you the same question. I don’t have a proposal because I don’t think any of it will make it through Congress. And if it somehow made it through Congress, the Supreme Court would strike it as unconstitutional.

Short of voting out these members of Congress and balancing the court, there’s no hope of reform. So drop the issue to appeal to more voters. Win more elections, balance the court, then you’re in a position to effect change.

Also, AWBs are pretty useless. They tend to grandfather in existing weapons and they exclude handguns, which are the weapon used most often to commit murder. Magazine limits, which were in the 1994 law, were the only piece to show a genuine reduction in violent crimes.

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I guess my proposal would be to repeal and replace 2a. Probably won’t happen until the silent gen and the boomers are gone.

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I strongly disagree with you, but I definitely give you credit for at least actually saying it.

Most that I’ve had this discussion with insist they don’t want to touch the second amendment and revoke the rights of law abiding gun owners… then most of their ideas both won’t solve gun violence while also stripping millions of people who’ve never broken a gun law of their rights without due process.

Guns are one issue where I strongly break with the Typical American Left™, but if you’re going to be anti-gun, I absolutely give you credit for having the wherewithal to just say what you really want.

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Some variation on this is the inevitable outcome. It’s same story as with say, universal health care. We already know the solution, we just have assholes and people stuck in the past preventing it. At some point, most of them will die off and society moves on.

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I don’t think any generation of 3/4 of the states is ratifying that.

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Or you know, actually interpret the way it was written. Most “gun enthusiasts” are not part of a “well regulated militia”.

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Exactly.

Say it with me, “The State should not have a monopoly on violence.”

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So, no suggestion other than just accepting the massacres?

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