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The wizard was called “Le Sorcier”. Lovecraft wrote that story when he was 17, so I think we can cut him some slack that it wasn’t a masterpiece.

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Can we cut him some slack about what he named his cat?

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No, we can excuse lack of refinement in talent, but not racism.

I love Lovecraft’s work, but fuck is he incredibly racist.

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I agree. I just like telling people what he named his cat so they’ll know what a racist he was.

That said, Cool Air is a very good short story.

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Unrelated but you just said “but fuck”.

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His racism is honestly the most horrifying part of his work.

Like there’s some good stuff there, but it’s the extreme racism that really gives me the heebie jeebies that make me put the books down and take a breather.

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He might have actually been the greatest coward of all time. Yeah, that cowardice meant he held a lot of shitty opinions about the world, but it was the exact kinda experience with endless fear that could create a new horror genre.

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Lovecraft’s racism is very much a product of fear, not racial superiority. Dude was extraordinarily terrified of everything remotely foreign. It’s why “strange creatures that are vaguely human but completely incomprehensible” is the generic terror in his stories.

In that sense, I find the motivations for his racism far less terrible than the motivations a racial supremacist has.

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Wow I was going to post a spoiler of the cat’s name but nvm

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Nah, his racism is well documented. Though if we want to talk about the cat in particular, it’s not known if he named it himself, when it went missing he was only 14.

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But he was fine re-using the name in The Rats in the Walls, so if he didn’t name it, he was very fond of it.

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Not that it matters at this point, but I saw somewhere that he had remorse for his racism later in life. Is this true? I have never seen anything to show it but I haven’t saught it out either.

It’s kinda funny how some of my favorite board games are based upon the setting. I love that they are heavy with diversity. It makes me think of Stephen King’s writing book, he says a story is no longer yours once it’s out there.

I’m glad Lovecraft made what he did, and that it’s so free tooled today. I think one day the Wizarding World will be the same (I refuse to keep calling the whole thing Harry Potter).

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He became less racist later in life, but didn’t, to my knowledge, express remorse for his previous racism.

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Not that it matters at this point, but I saw somewhere that he had remorse for his racism later in life. Is this true?

Keep in mind he died at 46, and at best went from “extremely racist” to “very racist.” His political views change, and I have always had a bit of a chuckle on his original assumptions:

As a result of the Great Depression, Lovecraft reexamined his political views. Initially, he thought that affluent people would take on the characteristics of his ideal aristocracy and solve America’s problems. When this did not occur, he became a socialist.

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Lovecraft’s racism is what I call “hilarious racism”, if you’ll pardon the term. I’ve only ever thought that in connection with HP. He was very much a product of his times, as we all are. Eugenics was all the rage, and you can pick that out in his works.

Lovecraft wasn’t merely racist against non-whites, he was racist against anyone who wasn’t of the “right stock”. He might snob you if you were a white man, living in Rhode Island, of English or German descent, but came from the wrong family tree. LOL, this guy rated humans like dog breeders rate bloodlines. OG Playa Hater’s Ball.

And speaking of his times, look at when he wrote. We were just discovering how incomprehensibly monstrous the solar system was, how big the Milky Way was, just then understanding that we lived in a galaxy. And we didn’t know there were others. FFS, Pluto wasn’t discovered until 1930.

Anyway, well worth reading his complete works. Good shit. Grab a copy off me.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KLBK1QQPc5ZuKm6nlveswoWKGBI-Hjeo&usp=drive_fs

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Anyway, well worth reading his complete works. Good shit. Grab a copy off me.

There is a torrent for the audiobooks, narrated by Wayne June (the narrator from Darkest Dungeon).

Wayne Junes reading Lovecraft is a match made in heaven. I strongly recommend giving it a try

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Your description makes me think of Pierce Hawthorne’s father in Community.

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Reminds me of that big racist guy in Disco Elysium.

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Nope. But that’s for moral reasons unrelated to criticisms of his on-the-nose sorcerer’s name.

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