Excellent.
Traitor orange is going down!
“He’ll be fine”? Tell that to his super morbidly obese heart trying to pump blood when fryer grease is clogging everything up and his bitch ass stress level is spiking cuz his grift is running it’s course. Anyway.
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Grab one and enjoy the show!
What are the chances of jail time? White collar crime like this effects way more people than petty theft, but I’m thinking at most it’ll be a hefty fine. Again, like on most topics, I’m pretty ignorant of the reality of the situation.
It’s a civil case, which means no jail time should he be convicted. It will just be a fine.
That said, it’s possible the verbal attacks against those involved lead to…something. I wouldn’t hold your breath though.
It is also possible to plead the fifth as a defendant in a civil trial, however, a jury (or the judge, in this case) can make “adverse inferences” from that in civil court.
In a criminal case, a defendant who takes the stand has waived their fifth amendment rights. That’s why you don’t hear defendants on the stand in court saying “Fifth, fifth, fifth.” A defendant retains their fifth amendment rights in a criminal trial by refusing to take the stand - as is their right.
What I’m not sure of is whether that also applies in a civil case. Unlike in a criminal trial, in civil court, the plaintiff can call the defendant to the stand. I don’t know if that obliges the defendant to take the stand or not. Also, in civil court, a defendant can only plead the fifth if answering the question could implicate them in criminal matters. The civil matter at hand, all by itself, cannot be “fifthed out of;” if a defendant is on the stand, they must answer questions in relation to the case, again, so long as the answers could not implicate them in crimes.
We know that Trump is on the plaintiff’s witness list. If plaintiff calls Trump to the stand in his civil case, is he obliged to go on the stand? I think he is, because fifth amendment protections do not extend to civil litigation. Then he could plead the fifth if the answer to the specific question posed implicates him in a crime. If that happens, there would surely be a motion from plaintiff’s attorneys for the court to rule on whether fifth amendment protections extend to that question.
But this is a bench trial, where the judge is going to decide the outcome of the case. It would be completely reasonable for the defense to want a different judge to make that fifth amendment call; having the current bench learn about the potential answers to the question of fifth amendment protection would obviously tend to influence the very same bench who is responsible for deciding the case.
I have no idea what’s going to come of all this.
At this point I think I’d be okay with house arrest. Just confining his remaining years on Earth to Mar-a-lago would do wonders for the health of the world.
Unfortunately, this case, in a legal sense, is against his corporation, not him.
It’s ruling will likely result in the dissolution of said corporation and the barring of Trump doing business in NYC, just like a similar case did with his charities, from which he stole.
That’s the annoying thing with how corporations are handled in the US.
What Trump did in the charity and this case is criminal fraud. But because it was all nicely wrapped in the form of some corporate entity, it’s a civil case. That shit is fucked up.
It’s a civil trial. The court won’t forcibly take anything from him.
I was defrauded by someone who lied on a house condition report, and the house needed $20k in work to not be condemned. I had paperwork the previous owner left in a closet that showed they were aware of the extent of the damage years before selling the house, but it was not disclosed.
Our attorney said “you can win this case. But you’ll win a $20k judgement. If they don’t pay, you have to sue again for failure to pay. If they die (they were elderly) legally the estate has to post in the local paper a notice. If you catch that notice within a couple of weeks, you will be able to claim $20k from the estate. If you miss this window, you’re SOL.”
The court has already ruled that Trump committed fraud, that Trump Org should be dissolved, and that properties should be seized. We’ll get more details as to just what that means (likely receivership and then sold), but Trump will lose a lot from this civil case and he won’t have that much recourse. (He can appeal, of course, but there’s no guarantee that would help him.)
He’s already lost, this trial is only to determine how much it will cost him. I think it’s more that he’s realized how bad his attorneys are, and that he’s going to lose everything.
He’s almost certainly going to appeal whatever verdict he gets, claiming that he had ineffective legal council and that the judge was biased against him. Because the only effective reason you can appeal is if you don’t believe your trial was fair. So he’s basically stacking the “this trial was unfair” deck in his favor.
Your honor, I object!
And why is that?
Because it’s devastating to my case!
I hate to be that guy, but you can’t appeal on ineffective assistance of counsel in a civil proceeding.
Since when has something being legal or not ever stopped Trump from trying it?
This oversight was first reported over two weeks ago, yet he hasn’t mentioned it or taken action in any way. Wonder if that would have an effect on such an appeal.
I don’t think it would because it is unlikely this case would have been granted a jury trial anyway due to New York law. There are specific requirements for requesting a civil jury trial in New York, and all the legal analysis I have seen has suggested they would not have met that bar.
Jury Trials are onerous on the public and the judicial system, but are fundamentally necessary as well as guaranteed in criminal proceedings. However, for civil matters that is the exception rather than the rule.
And to think, all he had to do was not run for president of the United States (among many other things) and this probably never would have happened to him.
I mean, I’ve never run for president of the United States, it’s a very easy thing to not do.
Respectfully, I hope you are wrong.
If not running was all it took not to be prosecuted then, to me, that says this is indeed a political prosecution and not about the rule of law.
Oh no, I agree with you. I was just making a joke. From what I understand he never really wanted to run for president in the first place, and was surprised he won. Honestly his business might have continued as it was, fraud and everything, if he had never done that plus all the other crazy stuff he did.
I’ve very glad he’s getting what’s coming to him. I mean he brought this on himself.
Oh no, I agree with you. I was just making a joke. From what I understand he never really wanted to run for president in the first place, and was surprised he won. Honestly his business might have continued as it was, fraud and everything, if he had never done that plus all the other crazy stuff he did.
I’ve very glad he’s getting what’s coming to him. I mean he brought this on himself.
I think they meant not run the first time? As in: he doesn’t run, and therefore doesn’t get elected, so he stays away from the spotlight and can, relatively, quietly live his life with his foot in his mouth at every turn, but nobody cares because he’s a D list celebrity.
And of course, not being the president, he has no access to half of the shit he’s dealing with federally. I feel like the state stuff in NY was a pretty long time coming, but the federal stuff could’ve been avoided had he lost or not ran in 2016.
I don’t even know what a world like that would look like, but I’m sure it would’ve been better than the four years we had of him.
Edit: Mobile, misspelled some things due to autocorrect.
He might have maybe still been persecuted but the feds and everyone involved would have taken their sweet time investigating potentially a few more years since he’s still an ex president. Officially convicting him makes the office look bad and could potentially turn ugly with the MAGA supporters. Nobody wants jan6 2.0 and they very well might have been happy to let him fade into obscurity if that was deemed the best strategy to avoid civil unrest as a whole. Him putting himself in the spotlight again lit a fire under everyones ass and accelerated things drastically.
Seriously. Had he not ran, or dropped out early, he could have probably started his own fringe news channel and lived a relatively unchanged, trouble free life and probably made some money doing it.
I personally think he expected to lose and wasn’t expecting the Russians to barely tip the scales to eek out an electoral college victory.
Same here. There’s a photo of him on election night as his win was being declared. Everyone around him looks happy, but he looks like he was just told he has 2 weeks to live.
Had Trump lost to Hillary, he would have done the whole “they stole the election from me” shtick. He’d have launched Trump Tirade Hour where he’d rant about the latest political topics - criticizing the people in charge and declaring that he’d solve everything so easily.
Of course, like his health care plan, Trump would never give details on HOW he’d fix everything. It would just be “A is doing B to fix complex problem C. That’s the wrong thing to do. If I was in charge, I’d fix the complex problem easily by… whoops, looks like it’s time for a commercial break!” It would really have been the best job for him. It would have fit his skills of being an armchair critic that understands nothing and yet claims to know more than anyone else.
Sadly, he won and did the whole “I know better than anyone else despite not understanding anything” from the most powerful seat on the planet.
I can imagine a world where Trumps publicity presidential run starts spinning out and Jared/Ivanka start pulling strings to make it happen. Jared walked away with untold billions and just walks away unscathed. It’s disgusting, especially when you think of how the GOP will stop at nothing to bury Hunter.
he’s going to lose everything.
He’s going to send out a new round of “save our country” money-raising emails and every one of his cult members are basically going to bail his ass out of this again.
Yeah but surely there must be diminishing returns, or at least there’s a somewhat finite pool to draw from. Like as case after case goes bad why would anyone keep giving him money?
