What is up with Newsome vetoing all this shit suddenly?
Presumably getting ready to launch his own presidential bid, so he needs to court the center by appearing more moderate.
Or the opposing side trying to make him look bad. California still sets the standards for a lot of rules that we’d be better off with the rest of the country copying.
Yeah honestly it seems like a targeted media blitz more than anything. If you read the actual article, most of his vetos are done for very good reasons - but they’re all being posted with reductive headlines
This never actually works. The Democratic party is a center eight party that only looks left.because the oteht major party are fucking crazy terrorists
The CA legislature passed a buttload of bills right before adjourning, so he’s working his way through them now. Plus, CA has a budget deficit, so stuff that costs money has to be more carefully considered - free condoms are a worthwhile thing, but then the question becomes what do you cut instead? It’s not always an easy question.
How much do they actually expect these to cost? How about they cancel fireworks at the next sports event. That’d probably cover it
How much would prohibiting caste discrimination or decriminalizing psilocybin increase the deficit?
That’s the wrong question.
“How can this law be exploited.” Or “does it make sense to put another law on the books if this is already addressed with existing laws”
If you take the specified reason, then it’s explicitly cited as reason #2. But the backlash is manufactured by progressives and exploited by conservatives to incubate in-fighting. Don’t fall for it.
If you think fronting the cost of condoms for teenagers is expensive, wait till you see how much it costs the state to provide services for a single teen mother
Or how about we don’t provide services for people who make obvious mistakes. I’d rather keep my tax money than it go to them
It costs less in taxes to take a child out of poverty than to put them in prison as an adult.
Additionally, taking children out of poverty improves the tax contributions they and their own children will make more than it costs.
In other words, your taxes aren’t going to just them but is an investment in us all.
And you’re making the same argument people without kids sometimes make about education, why should I pay for public schools, I don’t have kids, I don’t benefit. But you do, everytime a cashier counts change, everytime you don’t get robbed because a kid had an opportunity to come out of poverty, everytime you have an intelligent conversation with a neighbor.
We live in a society. If you don’t want to be part of our society, feel free to move someplace without taxes.
And this is why I left lolitarian after about a month. Once you start looking at the numbers of how much crime costs vs how little after school programs cost it is a no brainier. If someone gets convicted of a felony from the pure cold government accounting they are a net loss. There is almost zero chance that the government will make back what was spent on them.
It just is so much easier to be proactive vs reactive. We know the statistics, we know that a dollar spent on such and such program removes multiple times future costs.
Source on the costs? (I’m not doubting what you say is true, I would just like to know where you get your data).
Weird way to say “I’m a selfish piece of shit who thinks others should suffer because I think I am superior”
Also, entirely ignorant of the long term savings social programs provide. Poverty is expensive. The cost of a condom is nothing compared to the cost of a baby. The cost of caring for and educating a baby is nothing compared to the cost of an adult raised and living in poverty. The cost of providing for an adult raised and living in poverty is nothing compared to the cost of dealing with systemic problems related to homelessness.
You cannot avoid the costs, you can only kick them down the road a ways, where they will only grow.
Even if we pandered to your every preference, I doubt it would satiate the greed of someone who’d rather see children punished than contribute fractions of a penny to prevent it.
So why make society worse if it won’t even make you better?
They’re not my children, why should I as a taxpayer have to pay for them?
That “obvious mistake” is made every day by teens, some not even old enough to drive. I’m sure letting them fend for themselves is the best way to instill responsibility and not a recipe for child neglect or abandonment, but not like that’s a recipe for a future criminal or junkie.
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Ok, but giving them money is literally rewarding them for these actions. Taking money out of my paycheck via taxes is not the answer
I’d rather keep my tax money than it go to them
Ahh, the classic ‘we shouldn’t reward bad behavior’ line that completely ignores that treating tax money like Santa Candy (to be withheld from the bad little boys and girls) just costs everybody more tax dollars when it means foregoing spending on preventive measures that help avoid expensive problems.
It’s not rewarding teen pregnancy, it’s preventing it
Also,
I’d rather keep my tax money
You don’t get to keep it either way.
Oh man there is so much to unpack there its hard to tell it you’re just trolling or absolutely oblivious to what teenagers are like. There are libraries worth of papers and studies showing how that line of thinking is the first step down a steep and slippery slope that turns the USA into Afghanistan as far as society and quality of life.
The whole purpose of society is that we’re stronger together. If you disagree, that’s your prerogative, and if you want to go off the grid and back to a hunter-gatherer everyone-for-themselves lifestyle, you’re welcome to it.
Most of us don’t want that because it was objectively terrible compared to civilisation. We wouldn’t have modern technology or any of the things we take for granted without societal cooperation. You wouldn’t have a computer or internet to complain about the society you enjoy the benefits of.
That’s a pretty myopic take, honestly.
First hand over your recipe for hummas from scratch that tastes better than the premade at the store.
How about I keep the money that comes from my paycheck, and you keep your money
We had condoms in our school washrooms in the late 90s in Canada. Pads in the ladies room as well. At a broke ass public school that had out of date text books.
America really is a weird fucked up religiously warped place.
Yes and these vetos have nothing to do with cost and everything to do with Newsom positioning to be president.
He doesn’t want to generate talking points for the right wingnut propaganda machine.
Vetos on progressive therapeutics, caste discrimination, etc.
Then there’s kissing up to the big donor utilities to appoint a CPUC to hobble solar.
It really sucks because he could do good but nope.
The amount of bills he veto in last weeks makes me ask is this mother fucker a Republican or Democrat? He sure is veto bills he should be signing. If I was a Californian I be looking for his replacement and primary his sorry ass.
You know what’s so much more expensive? Teenagers having babies. That shit is expensive for everyone. Having a child’s life ruined and forced to raise a child into another ill prepared adult. Costs society lots of money.
I mean yeah but Cali is an abortion rights state so those factors are less present in the decision than they would be elsewhere
Abortions don’t just fall out of the sky. First trimester abortions are in the 300-900 range, and second trimester round about 1k-2k. Just comparing the raw cost of the procedure and omitting opportunity costs from recovery time and additional cost from complications, rubbers are real cheap.
Not to mention emotional cost.
Republican assholes always frame abortions as this whimsical thing women do, between errands.
It’s very emotionally draining, often difficult decision even if you are sure you don’t want / can’t afford a kid.
The anti-choice movement has twisted this whole discussion so badly we’re not even looking at the people most affected by all of this.
Yes but I was speaking relative to states where you can’t get that. This would be a much more egregious decision in a state like Texas where it seems to be the prevailing legal theory that a woman is expected to die rather than have access to even a top expense abortion.
Not to mention how early term abortion pills will likely reduce such financial and opportunity costs.
Not getting pregnant is the best scenario for those that aren’t ready for children. Despite easy access to abortion services some may feel guilt about ending a pregnancy early and have the child because it’s the “right thing to do” even though it may lead to a terrible quality of life for mother and child.
I think the point here is to prevent abortions. Nobody wants to have an abortion.
Just FYI: most family planning centers, like Planned Parenthood, hospitals and birthing clinics already give out free condoms to anyone who asks. That’s where I was getting mine when I was a teenager.
Then I got magnums some time later and it was a lot more enjoyable.
“Whoops. I dropped my monster condom that I use for my magnum dong!”
“here’s a story whose only link is the word condom, I just want everyone to hear me say I’ve got a massive dick. That is all.”
And is it comfortable? Or does it cut off circulation? People with larger penises need larger condoms, and that shouldn’t be surprising. It’s actually not legal to make condoms in the US large enough to cover some men on the larger end of the spectrum. Those guys often have to import condoms from the UK to get one that is comfortable.
If you think “condoms can stretch over your arm” is a good argument, then I suggest doing it to yourself and keeping it on there for a good 20 minutes. See if it’s comfortable.
