This has been my main question these few days, the ever hyped and ‘perfect’ Iron Dome. And Mossad, an Intelligence agency considered one of the best in the world. Where did the failure happen?
Don’t get me wrong. This attack was a tragedy. But what happened to the security infrastructure that Israel is so proud of
But what happened to the security infrastructure that Israel is so proud of
Sometimes things need to magically “fail” so leaders can get the war that they want, but can’t openly start.
Especially when they’re in trouble for corruption charges and making sweeping changes to their country’s justice system to help themselves at the detriment of their democracy?
The Israeli far right and Hamas are symbiotic, they justify each other’s rule and keep the other in power
When you look into the kind of stuff that happens worldwide, you’ll quickly realise that the usual conspiracy theories become tame in comparison to the real world. There’s a credible reason why an apartheid state would synthesise conditions for further oppression.
As a lesser known example, is Operation Car Wash in Brazil. You might remember a few years ago current President Lula was under investigation for corruption. Then the Car Wash leaks[1] happened and showed the whole thing was a right wing legal campaign with actual US agents involved.
It was reported that Mr. Dallagnol had called Lula da Silva’s arrest “a gift from the CIA”.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash#Leaked_conversations
The dome is pretty great but hamas claims 5k missiles launched and other sources say at least 2k. There’s no way they’re going to intercept them all. As for the intelligence failure, who knows.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. It’s the first question my wife asked when I told her about it. Neither of us believe that this could have happened without Mossad knowing about it.
To be fair, it’s possible for an intelligence agency to know of a possible attack, and not have anything done about it, without a conspiracy to let it happen, if issues with communication between parts of said agency or between it and the government as a whole lead to warnings not being properly shared with the right people or not being properly acted upon.
I’m just gonna put a tinfoil hat on and guess some of the top secret documents Trump let Saudis / Iranians peruse had relevant Intel to these events
But I’m just guessing
Wasnt pearl harbor an attack on a military base? So a totally valid target for a war. This was an attack on civillians so the comparision is bad.
That’s not the point of the comparison. The point of similarity is that it was a significant blow that struck without the defenders anticipating it.
I thought it was to go to war? Before that the US pubic was super anti-joining WWII (like 80+%), then all of a sudden, for the first and last time in history of logic, in the middle of a world conflict no less, they put all of their navy eggs in one lil basket & announced that very publicly to everyone.
it was actually done to prevent a war, as weird as it may sound.
- It was meant to intimidate the Japanese and prevent them from attacking the US. kind of a “look at us, we put our fleet closer to you, we are ready to fight you, so don’t even try to attack us!” move. didn’t really work out as planned though.
- It was also done to intimidate the Japanese into stopping committing their Atrocities in China.
So no, it was most certainly not done to enter a war.
So a totally valid target for a war
only two small Problems:
- they didn’t constrain themselves to just military installations
- the Fact that there was no fucking war at the time
idk about you, but imo you need to actually be at war to be allowed to attack anything, even if you think it’s a “totally valid target for war”
Non-amp, non-google redirect link: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-border-security-intl/index.html
Reading books by CIA folks over the years, Mossad has benefitted from Arabs that feel this violence isn’t reasonable, and provide intel to help stop raids. I can guess that Iran has helped with signal intel over time to determine who’s calling in tips, and left those people in place while cutting them out of the loop on this attack. Probably Mossad was getting false traffic from normal moles while all this was planned.
Sadly there’s not a good end for those informers post attack, they served their role to keep Mossad complacent, and likely died just after the strike.
All conjecture (I have no intel sources on this), but bad for Mossad if true. This would leave them back to square one on human intel if it happened.
War has changed. Drones, internet and new MANPADS have eroded Israel’s technological supremacy as shown in Ukraine vs Russia. Now it is more risky for Israel to go against their enemies. Already there’s footage of the vaunted Merkava tank blown to pieces. Also, this was the perfect storm:
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The US is preoccupied with political infigthing (thanks, Republitards!)
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The Israeli government was busy oppressing it’s own Jewish people because they drunk too much rightwing koolaid (thanks, Trumpettes!)
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Item no. 2 made Israel lose a lot of support from the West.
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Technological weapons breakthroughs in Ukraine (thanks, Putin!)
They made their bed, and now they have to sleep in it. The balance of power has shifted. I forsee Israel using nukes in the next 5 to 10 years out of desperation but it will backfire spectacularly.
