So far my list includes Comcast, EA, and Nestle. Tell me yours, and I’ll help out.
Here’s my list that I avoid if and where I can. As with everything, things are nuanced and complex, and it’s not like every company I personally boycott is outright bad or good all around. I wasn’t going to write down the reasoning for each and every one, but ask away if you want to know about the reasoning behind particular ones. I’ll also note, this is 100% not in any order (other than as they came to mind), it was time consuming enough making this vs. ranking them all!
Disney
EA
Volkswagen
Tesla
BMW
Audi
NVIDIA
Nintendo
Google
Apple
Facebook
Shell
Microsoft
X
Discord
Reddit
Old Spice
Costco
Netflix
Spotify
Nestle
Toyota
Tencent
Blizzard
Uber
DuPont
Fountain Tire
Walmart
Boeing
Brave
Princess
Moxies Group
Hewlett Packard
Amazon
On the flip side, companies that while not perfect, I think overall are doing good things that I try to support when I can (if only with word of mouth in some cases):
Valve
Framework
Firefox
Pine64
Raspberry Pi
Hyundai
Lucid
System 76
A&W
Trail Tire
Plex
Amanita Games
iBroadcast
Volvo
Napa
Fairphone
There’s probably more I’m missing, I’m a pretty strong believer that companies rule most of the western world and that if individuals want the world to meaningfully improve, we have to vote with our wallets as diligently as we vote at the polling stations.
Hyundai
Get the fuck outta here putting them in the good category. They got rid of immobilizers which led to thousands and thousands of cars getting stolen - mine included. Then when my car was recovered, the repairs took 5 weeks and they told me to pound sand when I brought up how the remote start THEY installed when I bought it didn’t work anymore.
You should really include your reasons instead of waiting for people to ask. I just reread your list and it seems extremely arbitrary
That would be a TON of writing, which nobody would read. Thanks for pointing that out, as with anything, these are my opinions and I hope you form your own as well. My opinions aren’t perfect, and none of these companies are outright “good” or “bad”.
Their immobilizer issues (also see the fire issues with the Telluride and Palisade), are definitely a pretty dark mark on them recently, and I can’t account for every individual’s. It sounds like your views towards them are entirely justified, my main reasons (I have this above in more detail) for supporting them are because I’ve always gotten utterly exceptional customer support from them (again things vary), but primarily because they’ve been a leader in electrication, they continue to make smaller vehicles and not road hogging mega-SUVs only, and all around are making very good products right now despite some issues.
I think there’s a definite media/perspective bias with vehicle manufacturers, for example Toyota is on my naughty list which would probably surprise alot of people, but they have had some of the largest (and indeed the very largest) vehicle recalls in automotive history in the last 10 years, some causing death and injury (see floormat recalls, Takata airbags, etc.) and yet they have so much hush money and such a “good reliable brand” reputation that nobody seems to care.
Hyundai (like alot of Korean companies, coughsamsungcough) has pretty heavy ties and influence over the government which is also kinda sketch, but perhaps you’re right and maybe they better deserve to be in just a neutral category for myself.
I won’t tell you to get the fuck outta here for your differing views on Hyundai, but as I noted, none of these companies are perfect and their recalls and issues with this pale in comparison to those recently with Toyota for example, as much as I know this has personally harmed you directly.
Recalls are not a problem by themselves- much better to address an issue directly than to just let it burn (no pun intended).
Hyundai/Kia also has a long list of problems that should not be ignored. On top of them skimping on immobilizers, they’ve done everything possible to avoid making it right. First they avoided even acknowledging the issue. They took forever to issue a software update to address it. They announced a solution where you, the victim of their shoddy designs, could buy (at a very healthy profit) a product to protect yourself. Under pressure from numerous lawsuits, they started giving out “The Club”, which was peak 1980s anti-theft technology. But they did so in the absolute worst possible way - in an incomprehensible patchwork of local police departments.
Their fire issues are multiple. In addition to the one you mentioned (22V-633 / 22V-626), there’s also 23V-651000 / 23V-652000, 21V-160 / 21V-161, 21V-137, 22V-056, and 22V-810000. While there is a lot of overlap in these, there are also multiple distinct issues. This also doesn’t even address the repeated battery fires, since that seems to affect all EV brands.
You mention Takata airbags, which is an odd detail- Takata just issued another recall. This one affects nearly all brands, except Hyundai/Kia.
Then there’s the critical issue of their datamining. Kia explicitly states that they collect and sell data on your sex life, genetic information, religious or philosophical beliefs, and the contents of your text messages.
I’m not here to defend Toyota; they certainly have their own list of problems. But I am going to say that Hyundai/Kia is not the solution.
I agree with almost all on your ‘bad’ list. I’m unfamiliar with a couple, so have no opinion.
Your ‘good’ list is good. I disagree with several, such as Hyundai, Plex, rPi, for example, but I don’t think they should be boycotted to oblivion, either. Except maybe Hyundai, who can crawl under a rock and die. I’m never buying another Hyundai car as long as I can.
I’ve definitely had some good discourse on Hyundai above and have learned alot, I still wouldn’t put them in my bad list, but they might not be in my good list anymore either?
I’m curious as to why you disagree on Plex and rPi? My knowledge of them to be fair is far from exhaustive, but to massively simplify they’re on my good list because of (plex) how open, flexible, and ownership of your own media focused it is vs. every company buying out shows from each other and subscription feeing users into oblivion, and (rPi) their education focus for kids, tinkering and repairing attitude, and making open useful little chips without being part of the hellish behemoths of other tech companies. Thanks for sharing!
He’s probably mad they allocate some Pis to businesses that depend on them to function.
I can understand a lot of it but I haven’t seen Old Spice since the 80s. What did they do? Poison your grandma?
Sure, thanks for asking, as with anything, these are my opinions and I hope you form your own as well. My opinions aren’t perfect, and none of these companies are outright “good” or “bad”.
Haha, you’re closer than you think, chemical burned my wife. This one is fairly personal obviously rather than an overarching issue, but there was a class action lawsuit maybe 8ish years ago over a faulty batch, my wife was unable to be involved for compensation since the class action was in the US, but we were applying gauze and antibiotics, and watching her skin goopify and have to peel it off her screaming in the shower, it was pretty awful. Despite reaching out, all we got was a resounding “deal with it bud” from Old Spice. I refuse to ever use their products again.
Wow. I’m surprised I’ve never heard of this issue. I hope your wife is okay now.
Since the 80s? Old Spice had a pretty successful ad campaign in 2010, that’s still present in pop culture today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Your_Man_Could_Smell_Like?wprov=sfla1
At least half of these are the “Why he say fuck me for!?” meme. Costco actually treats their employees well, has razor thin margins, keeps profits low to maximize value, and pays living wages. Also, $1.50 hotdogs in 2023 is bordering on insanity as far as value is concerned.
I also have no idea how you truly avoid all of these without living like Ted Kaczynski.
Sure, thanks for asking, as with anything, these are my opinions and I hope you form your own as well. My opinions aren’t perfect, and none of these companies are outright “good” or “bad”. It is very hard, I definitely am not always successful (living without touching Apple, Google, and Microsoft some way in the modern world is near impossible), but I do my best.
Costco is definitely one of the less clear cut “they’re bad guys” ones on this list, and definitely is doing many good things. My primary reason is the use of a yearly subscription model. Again, a hugely complex topic that could take up paragraphs, but overall I disagree with subscription models for goods, that $1.50 hot dog is not actually $1.50. There are benefits to subscription models (in this case ensuring regular stable income for the company, helps keep prices lower for products where profits might otherwise fluctuate more and they need a bigger profit buffer). They’re also on here for the damage they do to local businesses and just suburban colossus that they are with acres of parking lot, it’s an eysore, and unpleasant to go to. Lastly, is a 100% biased personal one, but I went once with an autistic client who was so excited to go see Costco, and he only wanted to see and look around, and despite being told beforehand we could go in with a friend who had a card, they turned us away at the door despite my explaining the situation and it totally ruined his day and forever rubbed me the wrong way.
Sure, thanks for asking, as with anything, these are my opinions and I hope you form your own as well. My opinions aren’t perfect, and none of these companies are outright “good” or “bad”.
Toyota because of their heavy lobbying against electric car technologies simply because they sunk so much money into Hydrogen technologies and wanted to be the winner. Also they have had a slew of absolutely colossal recalls lately for avoidable stuff, and people have died (see drivers floormat issues).
Hyundai because they’ve been a leader in electrification of vehicles, have always given me exceptional customer support, and all around are just making quality stuff right now.
Volvo because throughout there history there’s few if any automotive companies that have shown more of a commitment to doing the right thing, they pushed for safety regulations back in the day and the implications have ripples to today, and still are, alongside also doing well with electrification.
Hydrogen cars are EVs. The lithium-ion EV is the doomed technology, propped up by hype and subsidies.
Hydrogen fuel cells are genuinely better than lithium powered EVs.
I’m not trying to say toyota is a “good” brand, but your reasoning makes no sense. I’m pretty sure Honda was the one who invested most into fuel cells, the clarity FCX came out way back in 2008, and they are still doing development on a new CRV. Not to mention Hyundai also has a hydrogen fuel cell EV, this is not a bad investment by anyone.
Like do you think Toyota was lobbying because they were investing billions into hydrogen EVs, or maybe it was the hundreds of billions they’ve spent over a lifetime making ICE engines, transmissions, belts, brakes, and everything else.
Hydrogen EVs main problem is fuel production and transportation, there is no way around that. But in terms of pollution during production, hydrogen fuel cells are a fraction of the impact that a shortly lived lithium pack will have. Not to mention you can recycle some gas powered cars by making hydrogen combustion engines, no new production is the best kind of emission reduction.
I’m not sure why you are considering Toyota as evil for opting for Hydrogen Technologies. It is a viable alternate and clean fuel.
I’m curious about Toyota as well. They are regarded as one of, if not the most, reliable car manufacturers.
If you see my reply to questions about Hyundai on the list, Toyota and many other companies do alot of PR to maintain certain reputations, and Toyota does a spectacular job of this. I do think they make more reliable than average cars, no doubt. But here’s some lesser known facts, Mazda has actually beat Toyota for 2 years running as the most reliable brand according to Consumer Reports, Toyota has had the largest, and multiple other recalls in automotive history in the last 10-15 years, some causing death and injury (Takata airbags, floormat issues, and more), and further they have lobbied heavily against electric technologies since they were salty they invested so much in hydrogen fuel cell systems. Again, it’s not like all Toyota’s are awful, but while still reliable, they’ve been dropping the ball big time lately, and that’s not to mention how utterly mundane their cars are which is a little more personal preference based. Thanks for asking, I hope that helps explain my reasoning!
Amazon is one of the most evil companies on the planet and yet it’s not on your list but Costco is? Gonna have to completely disagree with you. Costco is probably one of if not the best company in the fortune 500. They operate and live by their code ethics to do the right thing. They’ve never ever had a lay off of employees, they treat people right.
You called them out for a subscription model, yet don’t understand what they are offering at all. What store can you shop at that offers products at zero margin? Costco’s yearly net profit is the number of members times the membership cost. Their entire business profit is only the $100 membership fee per person. That’s all they want to make from each person.
Edit: And then you have Amazon. Where they use people and dump them. Have a vulturistic operating model. They literally have meetings and design their software to trick people into buying at a higher cost. They’ll manipulate anyone anyway they see fit to make as much money as possible from them. They sell stolen and counterfeit products and they know it, they just let it happen because validating products would cost them money. They’d rather just say sorry if you catch them and give a refund.
Wow I must have totally spaced there, thanks for catching that! As I note in an above reply Amazon probably makes my top 5 most hated companies, I absolutely 100% do not shop there or use it, I can’t believe I missed that on my list, my apologies.
I did not know that their only profit is on their subscriptions, and I’ll look into that as I’m doubtful of that (I could be wrong though!) Thanks for the info there, but I still fundamentally take issue with subscription based models, as well as other issues I note in replies above with them like business displacement, bad personal experiences, and the urban sprawl they create. Again I’ll reiterate that no company is outright good or bad, and Costco is definitely pretty low on my bad list (perhaps deserving of being viewed more neutrally by me), the general view definitely seems to vary from mine so perhaps it’s worth reassessing.
As to your notes on Amazon again, I 100%, utterly, could not agree more, I just apparently missed them on my list and have since edited them in! Definitely an awful awful company, it astounds me furthermore how virtually everyone is unanimous on this, but nonetheless virtually everyone seems to use them anyways. Some others in the comments swayed my views on Hyundai to change, but I believe my views on Costco stand, based on the replies of some others, it seems the policies of Costco vary somewhat where I live vs. other countries (e.g., using bouncers instead of machines at the door, disallowing people from using even the food court without a card, etc.) so that might factor into why my views on them are different. Thanks for your input, I’ll be looking into Costco more about their profit model!
Last minute addition: I did a bit of looking and it seems we’re both partially right, while Costco offers some items at cost or at a loss, they do indeed turn a profit off of actual sales in store(again, perhaps this is different by country, and might not be the case where you live?), as well as membership fees, and profit margins on eCommerce sales as well.
This 100% is NOT an ordered list, maybe I’ll edit and make that clear. I just didn’t have the time or energy to order this properly, if you’re curious though my top 5 might look something like 1. Facebook/Meta, 2. Apple, 3. Google, 4. Nestle, 5. Amazon. There’s of course companies that are obvious that I didn’t included, virtually any gambling company, tobacco company, gun companies (although that’s less universal depending on your views on gun laws which is another can of worms we perhaps don’t need to open here), oil and gas company, etc. Thanks for pointing that out so I can clear that up!
I was hoping someone would mention that :) Man, their devotion to continue just making outright pieces of art, with incredible passion, and a seemingly small niche fanbase is something I can’t not respect the hell out of. No gimmicks, no DLCs, no selling out. They’ve just been doing what they love since their days of browser games, and never stopped making those types of games. Good guys.
Why Vanguard? They primarily offer passive index fund investments at very low costs and are owned by people that have invested in any of their mutual funds. Before Vanguard, the average investor would get screwed by financial advisors who would skim a large portion of investments.
Any company that profits from animal abuse (yes meat counts).
Amazon, SpaceX, TwitterX, TeslaX, Uber, Nestlé, Google, Micro$oft
Why SpaceX? I hate Musk and do not support any of his other… anythings. However, rocket go zoom then land without boom is fun to watch. I am genuinely curious why SpaceX is bad.
I completely agree about everything else you mentioned.
However, rocket go zoom then land without boom is fun to watch.
Yeah, Musk is a true innovater by having them blow up the concrete launchpad on launch instead…
The government got more money from the patents NASA got then it cost to fund NASA. Privatizing space hurts everyone except the rich asshole who gets the parents.
For fucks sake.
I clearly said I do not like musk. I even went as far as saying I hate him but still that’s the first place you went. What the fuck?
why SpaceX is bad.
For example they “decorated” our night sky with thousands of their satellites. Never asked permission. Astronomers around the globe are pissed because their work & results gets worse. Other people who own satellites are pissed because they don’t behave up there.
Providing global Internet is worth it. That said, I’d much rather see it done in a non profit way, and definitely not under the muskrat’s control.
I would like to point out that they did ask for permission. Though obviously they didn’t ask for permission from every government in the world, nor did they ask the astronomy community.
Because Musk is a vocal ass and so many on Lemmy can’t distinguish the good some of his companies do from the jerkoff owner.
Nestle does evil and is run by evil. Tesla is pushing the automobile industry in the direction it needs to go, but it is majority owned by evil. It’s not as simple as a keyboard activist response, so I’m looking forward to the downvotes as I point this out again.
Good luck ever trying to defend Tesla and Space X on Lemmy.
Oh my fucking god. I am not defending shit.
I asked a fucking question and the only answer I got was “musk bad.” I posted very clear qualifiers in the original comment and every other comment stating exactly that but somehow a whole bunch of y’all completely ignore that, repeatedly. It’s a critical bit of context that completely negates any defenses of any thing.
Then you go on to mention Tesla which was not mentioned in the comment you replied to. So it’s obvious you’re reading what’s written throughout the comments. It also makes obvious that you’re only picking out the parts you want. I never, not once, in any way defended Tesla.
I DON’T SUPPORT MUSK. I DID NOT DEFEND SPACEX OR TESLA. How else can I make it clear? What the fuck is going on with people missing the key bit of context?
I asked a question about SpaceX and someone else mentions Tesla. Somehow a bunch of you fuckers read it as I’m defending both SpaceX and Tesla.
Fucking fuck!
Tesla is pushing the automobile industry
When they were new and people still believed their promises, they could push the real car makers.
For a while. Long ago.
Nowadays everybody learns how bad these cars really are and how shitty this company acts to their customers after the warranty.
Why would you want to defend those companies? Literally what the fuck good do you think they’re doing? How does it outweigh the huge government subsidies they take away from non-garbage companies that could do the same things but without being as awful?
Private companies have no business being in space. It sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
Any good publicity for SpaceX is ultimately good publicity for Musk, who’s made himself the face of that company too.
Thank you for being the first comment that is not simply “musk bad.” I’m not being sarcastic. I seriously appreciate you answering my question.
You make a good point about private companies in space and I agree with it completely.
Destroying environments? Wasting money and fuel on false-promises (the Elon way)? I’m sure there’s a tonne of other reasons.
Putting aside that boycotting doesn’t work and actually has the opposite effect.
Coca-cola
Name a single boycott that ever managed to take down an international corporation that didn’t end up making them more famous then they where before that. Being “boycotted” is even a marketing tool companies like nike have used before.
Did you think this through or did you just want to be contrarian for no actual reason?
The goal isn’t “taking down” a company. It’s to influence their behavior/policies.
ChikFilA stopped donating to anti-gay charities when they were boycotted.
I think what you’re getting at is that the publicity generated by flashy boycott activism only generates free advertising for the companies. Which it certainly can! But that’s also dependent on what is being boycotted and the social and political beliefs behind it. If one group boycotts a product because the company is homophobic, another group buys more of that product because they agree with the company. That sort of thing.
But it isn’t as two dimensional as “boycotting has the opposite effect”. Here are some examples of effective boycotting. Though you did get me interested in how effective boycotting really is, but I couldn’t find any efficacy studies that weren’t behind a paywall…
Giving a company money -> they reinvest that money -> company grows
Not giving a company money -> ??? -> company grows
Everybody knows that, duh!
We both know that you actually don’t think it’s that simple. You just wanted to be contrarian.
I’m actually so correct in what I said that getting targeted with hate campaigns is something companies try to do. As I told another one of you NPCs before, Nike did that exact thing. They intentionally did something that upset a target demographic, those people burned nike products and tried to “boycott” them and it ended up making their sales go up because everyone was talking about them now.
This is such a well known thing that I’m surprised you people got mad at me for saying it. Redditors will get mad at everything for no reason I guess.
