I’m not very informed on modern China and there’s a ton of sources accusing China of killing and even harvesting organs from Uyghurs and Falun Gong believers.
Is there any truth to those claims or is it all ?
Yes it’s all bullshit
(not a historian)
in pretty much every case, sources for the “uyghur genocide” trace back to Adrian Zenz, a guy who can’t read chinese who deliberately makes shit up to support his “holy crusade against china”
the thing that actually happened is that China had to fight CIA-funded terrorism in Xinjiang; they did so with prison sentences and re-education instead of ultraviolence - it worked, so they stopped doing it (much to the dismay of china watchers)
Falun Gong is banned because they are a death cult
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Falun Gong is the Chinese equivalent of Scientology. Shen Yun, the dance show, and the Epoch Times are both arms of the church.
It’s absolutely in their interests to make up anything smearing a government that doesn’t tolerate their shit.
What western media doesn’t talk about is that cult got banned in China after publicity dousing children with gasoline and lighting them on fire. When they crossed the line into literal death cult killing kids, the Chinese government had to act because the outrage from the general public demanded it.
It’s ironic that the US and a lot of western media claim they are wrongly persecuted when the US federal government would have sent in the ATF and FBI with armored personnel carriers to kill all their leaders (what the US does in such situations) had they pulled the same shit in the US.
With the situation in Xinjiang it was a similar line crossed when the US backed islamist groups started slaughtering elementary school children and people at places of worship, many of whom were muslim. They even started killing local Islamic religious leaders. The public demanded something be done. So ofc steps were taken to improve economic conditions, improve infrastructure, increase security, bring those responsible to justice, and identify disaffected young men who could be put through what in the west is called “diversion programs” but elsewhere gets labeled “reeducation”. The real irony is within a few years the Chinese government turned the situation around with communities in the region having mostly positive opinions on the outcome while in the US school children and people at places of worship being slaughtered is something people just accept a normal part of life nothing can be done about.
And then for a number of members doing public self-immolation, with one of the people in the biggest incident also setting her daughter on fire (the kid survived).
But I think even before that there were problems with FG members committing suicide believing they would go to heaven or whatever.
Imagining a world where the West had the balls to ban Scientology and other cults
If you were to list the top ten cults in the United States by harm done, Scientology wouldn’t make the top ten. It would mostly be Protestant churches who will do another Waco if forced which honestly isn’t something anyone should want.
Scientology is bad, but they have one thing going for it that most cults don’t. Sexual abuse is not common, like obviously it happens but probably to a lesser extent than the Church. Scientology is much more focused on exploiting the labor of its practitioners and covering up the occasional death caused by lack of medical care than getting horny. Like legitimately the reason why Scientology still exists is that it is not a sex cult.
I just named Scientology because it’s a safe, obvious example that everyone agrees on
Pretty much, the organ harvesting claim in particular originally was based in the falun gong belief that(Disclaimer: This is not a bit) their spiritual practices literally made their internal organs superior in quality and impervious to disease or physical ailments(This leads into their belief that modern medicine is unnecessary and a satanic communist tool) and therefore the Communist Party harvests those organs to make their party elite live longer.
This was later transplanted basically wholesale into the idea of “halal organs”, the claim that there are muslim elites who refuse to receive organs from anyone who has not adhered to halal requirements in their lifestyle, and therefore the Communist Party are systematically harvesting organs from the Uighur muslim population to sell on the black market, presumably to the muslim nations that stand with China.
There has as far as I have read never been any evidence to support either claim that isnt either a claim of personal experience or a “whistleblower” statement that also is exclusively a personal claim of experience, unless China also is running a whole black market supply system of immunosuppressants and other post-transplant support medical care, you would see very obvious signs such as consumption of those medical supplies being obviously higher than recorded transplants.
The only signs like that that has been pointed to is that China has a notably short waiting list for organ transplants from what I have heard, but thats basically where the supporting evidence begins and ends, no further investigation has borne fruit.
specifically they believe that communism is a satanic plot by ghosts to make people believe in climate change and therefore gay
Wait that makes communism sound cool and metal as fuck.
Part of me kinda wish we lived in the fantasy world these people say they believe in, where instead of reading theory and attending party meetings, communists are actually mighty wizard-shamans who gain esoteric mystical powers through constantly doing gay orgiastic rituals, and then use it to summon spirits of the ancestral dead in order to perform crazy magical feats like making entire nation-spanning train networks appear out of mid-air or transmuting arid deserts into dense forests.
specifically they believe that communism is a satanic plot by ghosts
When you don’t understand what a metaphor is and you read “a specter is haunting Europe”.
