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It‘s probably important to mention that the entire video team is gone. Some of them were fired, so the rest walked. They‘re planning to go independent soon.

Edit: Their new channel will be SecondWindGroup. They’ll do a livestream on November 8th at 11 AM CT, explaining their plans for the future. (Source)

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69 points

Damn.

Props to everyone who quit in solidarity.

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32 points

Imagine if Dropout picked them up

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9 points

I love Dropout, but consolidating everything under one roof is just not a good idea. Not only are they different teams with different sensibilities, but it’s an unstable industry and if the company with all the “good” content happened to fail, that’d be a disaster.

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Is “fired” the right term? Normally someone being “fired” indicates that they are at fault in some way. It’s not normal for people to be “fired” in bulk. It sounds more like they were laid off, like the company had to cut costs.

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60 points

Nick was supposedly fired for failing to meet goals, goals he was apparently never informed that he should be targeting.

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46 points

Sounds like they were manufacturing a reason to fire him, then.

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2 points

Depending on employment law in his state, that may be actionable.

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-5 points

Ah yes, sounds like a job.

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Fired and laid off are like buy and purchase - perfect synonyms.

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“fired” implies “termination with cause”. That is, they believe you screwed up and so you were let go without severance, and in a pinch they’re willing to go to court on that.

“Laid off” implies they did bulk downsizing and unless the company finds a way to weasel out of it, there’s going to be severance and employment insurance payouts and the like.

In the Southern states this is a distinction without a difference because they just shoot you in the face and toss you into the body pit there regardless of the cause of the termination of your employment, but in the rest of the world this distinction is real.

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No.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/laid-off-vs-fired

Being “fired” and being “laid off” are both terms that refer to the termination of an individual’s employment. A company may lay off an employee when it doesn’t have the resources to retain them, while a company may fire an employee who isn’t meeting the company’s expectations.

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16 points

Well, Nick used that term and he‘s probably in a position to know if it‘s the right one.

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“To be laid off”, or even better “to be let go”, are fucking euphemisms for “fired”, “kicked out”, etc.
That sort of vocabulary is typically used by HR to sound more benevolent, whereas when it’s happening to you, you’ll use the more aggressive terms.

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5 points

According to the guys who left, Management forced unrealistic targets on the Editor in Chief, then used him not meeting those targets as an excuse to fire him. Everybody else quit in response.

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Fired implies that it’s disciplinary.

Let go or laid off would be the terms when it’s about lack of work or restructuring.

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90 points

Fucking hell, he’s been with them for close to 20 years, basically half of his working life. He’s been there through a lot of shit too, and basically kept The Escapist going through setbacks, cuts, and more.

I would have assumed he’d be largely untouchable there, so to make a decision that led him to resign immediately is absolutely wild.

To be fair, I quite liked Extra Punctuation, and I’ve always thought he would now be recognisable enough to either go alone, or actually be in front of a screen without animation. This could work out really well for him.

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12 points

I don’t like ZP but EP is quite good imo.

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8 points

I haven’t browsed in years but do I understand correct that Yahtzee does both shows? Is the “actual” punctuation literally him talking slower with pauses and such?

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16 points

Extra Punctuation was the slower, slightly longer format videos that were more musing about broad industry trends and gaming history. It was great.

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8 points

EP is him doing the same thing, but not as reviews, more generally discussing broad topics regarding games and the industry. I personally prefer it to ZP

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84 points

Holy shit so no more Zero Punctuation? He was like half of that channel. Wow this came from nowhere.

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52 points

Theyre practically nothing without him.

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17 points

No one would have heard of them if it weren’t for ZP

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22 points

By the sounds of it their entire video team left. So not half of the channel gone, but all of it…

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2 points

Woah. I wonder what happened 😬

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4 points

Going to go out on a limb and say unrestrained corporate greed

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2 points

They apparently fired the EIC for dumb reasons, and everybody else left in solidarity.

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21 points

In my mind Escapist as a brand itself is basically only ZP, do they even do anything else?

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They used to, before Extra Credits, Critical Role, and MovieBob went independent.

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18 points

And The Jimquisition if you reach back far enough.

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15 points

Zero punctuation and 3-minute reviews are the only reason to be there. Guess i’m out now.

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9 points

I struggle to think what that channel even did besides ZP and EP. Is Cold Take them as well?

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56 points

Well, props to Yahtz for not being a scab and quitting when Nick got fired, good solidarity there

It would be amazing if his team could somehow join the Outside Xbox, then I could get all of my British accented videogame snark in one place

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8 points

RIP TotalBiscuit, he would’ve fit right in there

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5 points

I never see OxBox called out. I don’t watch much YouTube but I always watch their videos…

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47 points

I don’t even know what they do except post Yahtzee videos

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