More insurance companies are fleeing the state because of the growing threat from natural disasters.

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Take away their ability to offer car insurance in Florida too then.

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“Unfortunately, Florida’s insurance market has become challenging in recent years,” the company said in a statement emailed to CBS MoneyWatch. “Last year’s catastrophic hurricane season contributed to an unprecedented rise in reinsurance rates, making it more costly for insurance companies to operate.”

This is hilarious and sould crushingly unsurprising. People actually ended up needing to use the insurance the companies were offering soooo they are just no longer offering it. Proving once again (for the millionth time) insurance companies have absolutely zero desire or feel any moral obligation to actually help people. It is 100% purely a money making operation. The millisecond they actually have to help any of their customers out, they will bend over backwards to get out of it and if they can’t, they’ll just leave entirely and not insure you. Beautiful. God I hate insurance so much.

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Insurance doesn’t work very well for things like hurricanes. When big events happen that cause large percentages of their policy holders to file claims at the same time, it results in large payouts which causes increases in price. When prices go up, people don’t insure. This combined with the fact that florida gets hurricanes means prices for insurance are high.

Maybe the state could help by introducing laws to help combat insurance fraud, but that could lead to consumers getting fucked by their insurance companies.

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You are being downvoted unfairly. There is greed at play, but there is math and economics as well.

The state could also help by reviewing building codes and infrastructure to make the losses due to hurricanes less severe but, with Florida republican votes not understanding the benefits of government helping address externalities for the benefit of everyone, there’s no chance the situation will improve there…

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Most insurance companies strive to avoid excessive profits, honestly and aim for a combined ratio of something less than 5% profit. It’s a fairly competitive field, getting greedy results in losing policies and is very price reactive. Consumers can change pretty easily and do so regularly.

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Insurance can work just fine for things like hurricanes. Insurance companies have several methods to address it. They’re all effectively variations of buying insurance policies themselves.

Re-insurance pools are a close analog. It’s basically a bunch of insurance companies from around the planet getting together and agreeing to pool risks. Big companies also use a bunch of funky financial instruments to simulate insurance.

There’s some risk of increased systemic correlation (eg climate change may increase the risk that major hurricanes hit multiple areas around the planet simultaneously). That’s largely mitigated in that we can see it coming. Climate change is pretty prominent in their models and they can adjust premiums or stop offering policies, over time.

The bigger risk is in synthetic systemic risk. It’s burned us a bunch of times already and it’s gonna do it again. Those giant global re-insurance pools are almost certainly fine, and worth the risk, if we just use them for their intended purpose. But history shows that we’ll end up creating derivatives contracts on them and those contracts will get leveraged. Those leveraged pools end up merging and turning into giant financial time bombs.

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Are you actually surprised that an insurance company is not there for the good of the people, but to make money? They did keep their contractual obligations and paid out their customers, so you cannot fault them for that.

And what the insurance companies are doing is quite normal behavior. They analyze business risks and move out of fields that are not profitable. They are now telling you that they will no longer cover you so you can find another insurance to take over business. That those other insurance companies are more expensive is just founded in the fact that Florida is already a risky state, and the risks just skyrocket through global warming. And with the water temperatures rising as they do, I expect this year to have an interesting hurricane season.

People complain again that they cannot afford to move to safer places. Maybe now they can start thinking whether they can afford not to move to safer places instead.

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Not saying insurance companies are good but I’ve read a lot of the problem is with insurance scams where a roofing company will tell the homeowner they can replace their roof for free with insurance, even if it’s not necessary. Then that company will sue the insurance Co if they don’t pay for it.

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That’s part of it but it’s state law that made that possible, even with tort reform.

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And if the state is going to legislate that way, there’s even more reason to pull coverage.

It’s half climate change related, and half their own doing.

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If they think last year’s hurricane season was bad, wait until this year with 38°C (100°F) water.

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They are a business and their business model shows they can’t make profit in Florida any longer. It would be morally unjustifiable to continue operating in Florida, to their employees and shareholders.

These aren’t non-profit companies.

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No worries, now the Florida government will offer their own insurance in retaliation, to show them corporates who’s boss.

And that’s how, children, the capitalists became socialists.

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It already exists. It’s called Citizens Property Insurance and I’m one of over a million subscribers to it. Every private company is at least 20% more expensive or the state could sell my policy to the private company.

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Let me guess, the money goes to a private company who just happens to be run by a relative of DeSantis?

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Howdy fellow citizens customer! As a token of our new friendship id like to give you 2 of the giant grasshoppers and 1 albino lizard.

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They already do.

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I shit you not Florida’s CFO blames corporate wokeness

Also I didn’t know florida has a CFO

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It’s their Comptroller/ Treasurer but it just got merged in 2002 so it has a catchier name.

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Chief Florida Officer?

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In charge of regulating Florida ounces.

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I mean, in their defense the insurance companies finally “woke” up to what a terrible business idea it is to operate in Florida.

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Running government like a business = bad at capitalism

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Running the government like a business sure sounded a lot better when businesses took care of their people, huh?

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“Let’s run the government like a corporation. We’ll give people the worst quality product possible at the highest price possible!”

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Is all of Florida a risk, or only down state?

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I’d say Arizona and Texas are at higher risk than California, unless earthquakes get way more frequent and bad.

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Wildfires aren’t the issue with Arizona, extreme heat is.

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The risk in CA is that they have built so many communities in areas that are prone to wild fires (and in some cases are even part of the natural eco system) that is inevitable that if they rebuild that it will burn down again. They also have high material costs, higher labor costs, and more stringent building codes (rebuilding to code can get really expensive). Lastly CA has a more highly regulated insurance market which protects consumers, but makes it less profitable for insurance companies. While IMO this is a good thing it has ripple effects on whether or not the private market wants to participate.

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florida as people are stuck holding mortgages for condemned and washed away houses.

I mean what is the issue with just not paying them? For a big enough hurricane there will be too many delinquent mortgages, so it might be easy to hide or just tell the bank that the free market is harsh mistress and sucks their risk didn’t pay off.

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