Kathy Berden, 70, of Snover
William (Hank) Choate, 72, of Cement City
Amy Facchinello, 55, of Grand Blanc
Clifford Frost, 75, of Warren
Stanley Grot, 71, of Shelby Township
John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix
Mary-Ann Henry, 65, of Brighton
Timothy King, 56, of Ypsilanti
Michele Lundgren, 73, of Detroit
Meshawn Maddock, 55, of Milford
James Renner, 76, of Lansing
Mayra Rodriguez, 64, of Grosse Pointe Farms
Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw
Marian Sheridan, 69, of West Bloomfield
Ken Thompson, 68, of Orleans
Kent Vanderwood, 69, of Wyoming
lol it’s all boomers and cusp Gen X/boomer
Sadly, they’ll all be found guilty but too old and white to actually go to prison for their crimes.
In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.
“You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”
Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.
That’s actually an interesting idea. For high crimes committed by the elderly, sentence them to be de-memorialized. Their remains are interred only in a space-efficient public cemetery. They get no headstone, just a small post in the ground with a number on it to mark where they were buried, surrounded by hundreds of other posts.
Every year, the family of the deceased must pay a fee to maintain the site, or else the remains will be disinterred and disposed of so the plot can be recycled.
For the elderly criminal, they die knowing that they will either be forgotten by relatives who don’t care about them, or burdening their relatives who do care about them with annual fees.
In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.
“You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”
Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.
Oh come now, we have much worse punishments: they’re now under conservatorship, by Britney Spears dad and are on their way to the cheapest old folks home in their state. They’re “technology safe” so they can’t access the internet for their own personal safety…
Ya know, old folks prison, where poor people go after their family forgets about them and they die of neglect.
All cocksuckers on Medicare and social security and probably bitching about socialism.
“Paw Paw is named for the pawpaw trees which once grew along the Paw Paw River,” and those trees probably got their name from British people trying to say “papaya”
A pawpaw is a real fruit, related to the cherimoya.
Probably not a great age to be starting a fourteen year prison sentence at, but they should have thought about that before trying to overthrow our democracy I guess
This same generation kept repeating shit like “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” back in the dial up days. Good advice I took to heart.
Now my own mother believes AOC wants to ban cows because they fart a lot.
I am pretty disappointed in the Gen X generation. I really thought we were going to be a lot more open minded and accepting of people than we have turned out to be.
Think of all the people you’ve known who were open minded and accepting and how small the number of them seemed compared to the majority when we were growing up. Know that a lot of those people probably went on to inspire those qualities in others and raise their kids to value those things. I’ve seen mainstream society come a long way from my childhood in the 80s and teens in the 90s.
I agree, I had a lot more hope for Gen X but we were up against the juggernaut of the boomer voting bloc. As those selfish fucks age out we’re finally looking at the possibility of righting the ship.
I agree that we have come a LONG way. I was in the first generation of ravers. I am aghast at some of my fellow old ravers and how they scorn the LGBQT community considering they were that their bars were often the only place we were offered safety and respect. The motto these guys wore on their sleeves was PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect, but now they are SLUR.
A surprising number of ravers compared to my other social circles have gone full conspiracy, MAGA cult, qANON. IMO it attracted a good number of contrarians, counter culture, anti government types in the first place and they were bound to get roped into something like this. I thought hare krishna type things, but boy was I wrong!
I realized that the other day. My brother is gen z, and when I felt him out on lgbt issues (he’s been raised in a very conservative bubble), he just doesn’t care.
Then I realized - millennials were raised by gen x. I got a lot of ideas shoved in my head growing that took some time to unravel after I started to examine if my beliefs matched my morals… I just assumed he’d be in a similar position. But he’s been taught by millennials and seen it in the media, he never learned those hang ups I had to get past
This weekend it hit me - Gen x is driving force behind all of this body autonomy bullshit
A lot of millennials were still raised by boomers. If you’re an early to mid millennial, you’re probably more likely to have been raised by boomers than gen X-ers, since the oldest gen X-ers would have only been like 15 years old at the start of the millennial generation.
In 1988 (the midpoint year for millennials), the average age of someone having their first child was 27, so most kids born that year were born to late boomers. Only towards the 90’s, the last third of millennials, would you start seeing more Gen X parents than boomers.
And if you were a second or third child in the millennial generation, your parents were more likely to be boomers than not, too.
I blame dementia. I have a parent that’s still a Trump supporter. It’s as if they’ve lost the ability to use reason. I am pretty sure Trump could shoot them in the face and they’d still vote for/support him.
There’s theories about the lead from leaded petrol doing a lot of brain damage before it was taken out.
Can’t wait to see it all play out. You just know these people won’t accept responsibility and will blame others for their actions. I swear if they were 16-17 I wouldn’t be surprised but GOD DAMN, they’re all over 55 with 2 being over 80.
“We were just told to show up and sign this paper. If we had any information about it being untoward or illegal, we would not have done it”
That’s Ms. Michele Lundgren making excuses already. Like, you thought it was totally legal to pretend to be electors to subvert an election? Come on.
No living wage, no money for education, no money for health care, working three jobs to survive, and the world temperature and scarcity of housing are accelerating…
…but sure, let’s celebrate. This totally matters.
These are some of the people who fought to create those problems, including fighting against democracy itself to ensure it.
It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
No, it isn’t.
It’s nothing. This will change nothing, as evidenced by the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.
Since I expect I’ll have to suffer several members of the conservative hive-mind moaning about this tomorrow, I did some quick research beforehand:
Here is a list of those who are charged.
This video shows the Republicans trying to enter the MI Capitol.
At ~35 seconds in, several people claim to be the state’s electors.
In no particular order, I think I have identified the following:
The woman between the orange beanie and red mitts at 60 seconds looks to me like MI GOP Chair Meshawn Maddock, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left corner of the screen at 3 minutes and 19 seconds in looks to me like Michele Lundgren, a GOP former nominee for a House seat in Detroit which she lost in a major landslide, who is among the charged.
The woman near the bottom right of the screen at 3 minutes and 7 seconds in looks to me like MI GOP Vice chairperson Marian Sheridan, who is among the charged.
Papa Smurf on the left at 1 minute and 1 second looks to me like GOP member Ken Thompson, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left at 1 second in looks to me like GOP member Rose Rook, who is among the charged.
At what point should we declare the MI Republican party to be insurrectionists and disband that organization? It’s not like it was some low ranking officials.
If it makes you feel better, the Michigan republican party is effectively dead. They lost every branch of government, their funding is pretty much dried up, they had abandon their longstanding headquarters and are now based out of a PO box.
Their former leadership is gone, and now they’re run by an actual crazy person with a degree in Christian apologetics who insists the majority of voters are murderers for codifying the right to an abortion via ballot. They were an anti-vaxxer before covid, they think abortion is a “satanic ritual” and that yoga is a “demonic ceremony”.
Just a week or two ago they made the news when two members got into a fistfight during a meeting, they’re a circus.
You love to see it.
About 30 months later than it should have happened, but late is better than never!
Yeah, it’s totally normal for prosecutors to wait over two years to bring forgery charges and just let the suspects go about freely doing as they please that whole time, it’s not like anyone in recent history has been forcibly detained by a police officer and been suffocated to death by that officer’s knee being placed on their neck for an extended period of time after they tried to submit some dodgy paperwork or anything /s
Another of the 16 electors, Michele Lundgren, said she was distraught over the charges and she questioned what evidence prosecutors had.
The 73-year-old Detroiter said she had simply received a call on Dec. 13, 2020, to be in Lansing the following day. While there, Lundgren signed what she thought was a sign-in sheet, she said.
“We signed a blank piece of paper," Lundgren said. “And that’s all can tell you.”
This is going to be a super entertaining trial
does she do whatever the phone says? If I were to call her and ask for $10,000 she’d pay me?
Lmao. 16 assholes about to get a big government dicking. Those forgery charges are 14 years a pop lol.
