When I drive, I am one with my vehicle! I have the gear stick up my ass and twerk to change gears, like a MAN!
And of course all shit electric cars are all automatic. It’s part of the NWO agenda. They want to force us all into electric, automatic cars, Over my dead body! A car that does not produce smelly fumes when driving is not a real car. What I am supposed to smell when walking in the city? Air? Fucking dumb. On top of that they make no sound! There’s nothing to tune up to make my car sound like a racing machine. How I’m supposed to let everyone know I have a small dick if I can’t rev my engine all the time? Not to mention electric cars don’t emit CO2 so I can’t lock myself in a garage with the engine running and kill myself when I realize that no one is impressed by my car and my dick is still tiny. Absurd!
I’ve literally seen people post that they’d consider going electric if only it had an engine sound. Seriously, people who are old enough to have a drivers license want their car to go wroom wroom.
I get it. It’s the same reason all cars have a steering wheel, despite it being the most dangerous part of the interior. Joysticks just don’t give the same feel as when the captain steers the boat over the seven seas.
Wroom wroom, steer steer, wroooom, change gear while turning, push pedal, wroom wroom.
Steering wheels are enormous because that allows fine grain control, which you need at higher speeds. Switching lane at 70mph requires only very slight movement but turning the car around in a street you can go full lock.
A joystick would be fucking TERRIFYINGLY stupid lmao
Some vehicles use steering by wire, which uses motors for i/o. This allows for steering sensitivity adjustments based on speed or even* preference.
Fundamentally a joystick is a device that gives input in 2 dimensions, while steering a car is a 1 dimensional input.
No it’s not terribly stupid. Handicapped people already use other controllers without any issues.
A steering wheel is already electronically adjusted for speed. The servo will work just as well regardless of the controller device.
Along with lane assistance and other “self driving cars” it should be pretty evident that there is nothing dangerous about giving up the physical turny wheely kindergarten toy controller.
I mean the wheel is definitely the best control mechanism for driving… whether or not it’s dangerous, there’s a reason the best sim racers use wheels and not controllers and it’s that they provide vastly more control. So nice argument except it’s all based on a false claim that joysticks are better lmaoooo
I think it’s just a matter of getting used to it. Something like a playstation controller would be easy to learn for most people. People who play racing games seriously wouldn’t use a wheel and pedals. It’s just too slow.
I was extraordinarily glad to have a wheel when my power steering failed and found myself having to turn the car using the strength of my arms and the mechanical leverage of the wheel. A joystick would’ve made the vehicle literally impossible to steer.
I’ll just leave this here. In short: a guy wrote a physics engine to simulate any combustion engine, and then further got it working with an electric motor so electric motors can use a simulated vroom vroom
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I’ve literally seen people post that they’d consider going electric if only it had an engine sound.
In many regions now it’s actually mandated that EVs make additional noise when moving at low speeds (less than 40km/h or so). There were concerns that quiet vehicles would have more pedestrian accidents.
There actually is an EV with engine sounds and a “manual transmission” from Toyota. According to ArsTechnica, it’s supposed to be pretty good:
electric cars are all automatic
They aren’t, really. They don’t actually change gears, if you want to go backwards you spin the motor backwards.
Hilariously, jump starting EVs is a thing if the 12V battery dies. And no, you can’t roll start them.
And no, you can’t roll start them.
I imagine you “can”, it’s just not very effective. Like, if they allowed you to switch it to regenerative breaking and let it roll down a hill. The problem is you can’t get out any more energy than you put in. So if the battery is dead and you roll down the hill you won’t be able to rull any farther up the other side than you started (even less when you factor in mechanical -> electrical -> mechanical. You’d probably better off putting it in neutral [if that’s a thing for electric cars] and just let it roll)
No, you actually can’t.
For safety reasons, the 400V main battery isn’t hardwired to the car. There’s a couple of contactors powered by the 12V battery that connect it to the car.
If your 12V battery dies, the contactors open and the car is completely dead. You have to jump it or replace the 12V battery, then the contactors pull in, then the main battery can start charging the 12V.
Even plugging it in doesn’t work - the car won’t take a charge if the electronics are dead.
If the main battery is dead but the 12V hasn’t died yet, you can try regenning down a hill or plugging in or whatever. But if you lose the 12V, the car’s bricked.
It’s set up that way so that first responders can get to an accident, pop the hood, cut the 12V and then start cutting you out of the wreckage without worrying about high voltage cables.
tl;dr: my PHEV does change gears when in EV mode, as weird as it sounds
So, I drive a Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid EV (PHEV). It’s a hybrid with a larger battery so you can plug it in and drive fully-EV on the battery for about 30 miles/50 kilometers or so. The freaky thing is that the EV motor is connected to the transmission, so it does switch gears sometimes and you can feel it when it does. Even freakier is that this also applies to regenerative braking: when you slow down from a high speed, you can sometimes feel it switching gears while you brake. That all isn’t too bad since it’s got a dual-clutch transmission and so it switches gears pretty quickly, but it can still be a bit freaky at times.
Additionally: there are some people who have converted antique cars to EVs, but to save money they didn’t touch the transmission and instead elected only to replace the engine. They still have manual transmissions in them, though I suppose you could probably just find a suitable gear to leave them on 100% of them time. Still, you can, in principle, switch gears on them.
Typically I’ve seen people keep their car in 2nd (or reverse IIRC? That way your controller doesn’t have to support reverse and you don’t have to put in a new switch on the dash) in electric swaps. Also you don’t use the clutch pedal to start, only to change gears, which is a bit freaky when you’re not used to it.
On the highway there might be value in switching to a higher gear though, torque/efficiency curves aren’t perfectly flat even on electric motors. I would be curious to know what gains would be had on a modern electric platform like an ID.3 if one was to put in a cheap two or three gears sequential/manual transmission (for all I know the efficiency gains would not offset the additional losses from the clutch and gearbox, and even if they are some gains I’m sure that they do not make up for the inconvenience/lack of comfort of a MT).
Honestly the only issue I have with electric car sound, is that in the country side animals, listin for your engine. So silent electric cars make it all the more likely that your gonna hit a bear. I’m not even asking for them to be deafeningly loud. Other than that my only problem with electric cars in general, is that they are soo overall boring. The Tesla models are just generic car design smoothed over. At least the Prius has a neat double rear windshield. Honestly the only electric car I’ve been thinking of getting, are those new 2cevs that are being reproduced, but electric. The only fun cool cars being made today are Supras and Miatas. Everything made in America just looks like a blow up car thats about to burst. Drm just worsens them further because now I can’t mod or enjoy fixing them. Electric cars are just infuriating because they are just a battery connected to some motors. The complicated part is a fuckin computer chip why is everything sealed. All this effort for a car that looks like a car shaped cum blob.
Honestly the only issue I have with electric car sound, is that in the country side animals, listin for your engine. So silent electric cars make it all the more likely that your gonna hit a bear. I’m not even asking for them to be deafeningly loud.
Mentioned this in another comment, but many regions now mandate that EVs have noisemakers built in which emit sound at low speeds (<40km/h or so).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds
Apparently all the deer around me are fuckin deaf going by what cares I’ve seen hit them.
I suppose different places have different animals. But in my home state at least, deer were only a problem when my folks got a f150. That ironically enough was extremely quiet. It was easily my familys most quite vehicle we had. And it was the only vehicle that had deer jumping in front of it and even hit a bear.
I for one think that cars should be boring. And safe. Safe and boring. You want a fun car? Go to a racing track. You’re on a public road, sharing it with responsible people? Drive responsibly. Be boring. Shitload of people would still be alive today of everyone had a boring car and drove in a boring way.
I disagree because when we look at places like the Netherlands were they have driving alternatives ie bike, train and walk. Driving becomes more fun and the only people on the road are people who ether like driving or traveling long distances and driving accidents plumit. Compair that to amarica where driving is already boring, we have aggressive drivers, drunk driver and irresponsible drivers, and we have greater amounts of accidents. Because people who don’t enjoy driving are forced to drive and people who do enjoy driving have nowhere to go. It’s kinda like skateboarding with higher stakes. If you tear down skateparks, people who enjoy skateboarding with skate in public. Today we are expanding urban sprawl to the point that city’s are destroying the few race tracks that are left. So no duh hooners are going to hoon in public roads. The government destroyed the local track last year. So ultimately no I don’t think boring cars are the solution to bad driving. If anything it’s just gonna make it worse because no one cares about how well they drive it’s boring.
Try sitting in traffic for 2 hours with a stick, moving 10 feet at a time, and we can talk about how much you love manual
Exactly why I drive an automatic now. Sure, standard transmissions are fun, if you have a fun car, but my little sedan isn’t exactly a fun sports car.
Driving in traffic was annoying with a stick. Never again.
A lot of autos you can use the gear selector to determine what rpm you want it to shift at, or use it to downshift. Most people just throw it in D and wonder what the other selector positions are for.
Also a lot of small manual cars suck for highway driving cause they cruise at a higher rpm. Cruising along at 120kmph at 2k rpm is pretty great.
Nah, I don’t drive a car at all on my regular commute - a 45 minute long bus ride really isn’t a big deal to me.
Let’s me drive a car I know I’m gonna enjoy while avoiding the worst parts of driving a manual. And as a bonus, I save money on fuel, because bus rides are still cheaper where I live
If that is what it takes for people to demand and use more public transportation, then I am loving it.
(I live near a city and don’t need to own a car. I only ever drove manual in the past, and also got stuck in a traffic jam occasionally. IMO it wasn’t that difficult to stop and go, but it depends on your car. I had more issues with a rented big transporter, that required to release the clutch while steping on the gas. But that is just practice.
I remember driving a automatic transmission car once for 10 minutes or so, and it was very stressful, because it behaved so different.)
seriously if this is an issue for you, youre probably just bad at driving stick
Eh, it really depends how heavy your clutch is. Exonoboxes (Saturn SL2, Sonic) or sporty cars with lower torque numbers (Miata, Celica, Fiero, Prelude, S2000) = no biggie. Higher torque (V8 Camaros and Trans Ams, Corvettes) usually have an assist spring to help you hold the petal to the floor, but engaging/disengaging take more leg effort.
/late 30s guy who only owned one auto that was converted prior to buying an RV
On a side note, modern manuals kind of suck. They hold revs when you pop the clutch for emissions reasons, which makes the 1-2 shift especially kind of suck. A lot of them also barely engine brake and dual mass flywheels on higher output engines can clunk if you unload them hard. Although regen braking isn’t super thrilling, it’s way more engaging that engine braking in basically any model year 2010+ vehicle.
Cars aren’t about driving. You want to drive? Go to the track.
Cars are about getting from point A to point B. Bring on full automation please!
Cars are about running down pedestrians, taking up space, eating hot chip and lie
What was the pedestrian points system again?
- 10 points for every child
- 20 for every adult
- 30 for a pram
- 50 for a pushbike
Were there any others?
Go hit and run and rack up those points now!
For the uninformed.
We played by slightly different score system but the ranking seems the same, we also included Old People, and Wheel Chairs / Mobility Scooters, which with your scoring system would be 75 and 100 respectively. Push bikes and prams would be switched as bikes are more common and prams more devastating so they’re worth more points. We also had bonus points for pedestrians caught off a cross-walk.
I actually quite enjoy driving, especially at night, really helps me relax and get rid of anxiety. I would love to do a track day, but shits expensive.
See if there are any autocross groups in your area. Cheaper and safer than a track day with 95% of the thrill.
There is an event in April in thinking about signing up for, it’s only about 200 bucks to enter and there are other events in the club later if I like it, also just in time for my birthday!
On the one hand, I agree, but on the other hand, it’s one of the most dangerous times to drive
I’ve been working nights for a good chunk of my life and I can’t understand why people say this. I prefer to drive at night, maybe if I didn’t live in a big city I might think differently. But, I’ve never had an accident, I rarely sit in traffic, cops generally have bigger shit to deal with at night so I don’t need to worry about speed traps or anything. I can’t think of any downside to night driving
A life time of stop and go traffic on i-35 had me get a auto when my last car died.
99% of people want just that. a -> b with a level of safety, fuel efficiency, comfort and a cell phone to distract them. Nobody wants to be constantly pumping the clutch in slow traffic on a daily commute. I have an automatic, and it’s perfect for DD. We also have a small, 6-cyl with a standard, and that car is a ton of fun for evenings out and weekends. I wouldn’t want to make myself or the car suffer in a metro area traffic jam moving at a snail’s pace.
Short of actual full self driving which doesn’t presently exist why do you think your cell phone is part of your commute?
Or the car will be like “You’re creeping forward with your driver’s door open? I’m going to slam in to park without even asking first then all my dash lights will be going full xmas mode while I beep incessantly. Because fuck you, that’s why.”
“Oh no a slight bump in the road. Better shout about it and slam the brakes lmao”
If I’m at a t-intersection with a car parked on the side of the road in front, I’ll start turning, car thinks I’m about to t-bone someone, red lights and alarms everywhere. Scares the fucking shit out of me. The first time it happened I slammed the brakes on and fortunately didn’t get rear-ended.
That system has never done anything but cause me to almost have an accident and to turn it off is buried away in the settings each time I start the car. And the lane keeping assist is so dumb at understanding how people take an apex on corners, or dealing with the faded lines. “Give me the fucking wheel back!” tug LURCH “Fuck!”
It’s like learning to drive with my hyper-anxious mother in the passenger seat all over again, flipping out and unexpectedly trying to intervine over nothing she thought was something.
I’m so glad to see I’m not the only one with issues with those “driver nanny” systems, as I call them. The one in our Mazda regularly false alarms in left turn lanes, and occasionally triggers on signposts and shit while turning right. I had to turn off the lane assist; the damn thing kept steering me back toward obstacles I was actively trying to avoid (I guess I’m “supposed” to swerve to avoid them, but that was not how I learned to drive - swerving is something that should be done only in an emergency, and an obstacle I can see well ahead isn’t an emergency). The emergency braking alarm is occasionally triggered by cars parked along the road on a curve.
It doesn’t help that the alarm in that car is like nails on a chalkboard to me - it just instantly pisses me off. Why can’t it just be a nice little chime or something? Unfortunately, we didn’t hear the alarm until we were getting the overview from the salesman during delivery - during the test drive, the salesman had started it without us there and drove it to the door, and we just hopped in, then we didn’t trigger it during the test drive. The first time I heard it was when I started the car during delivery - “WHAT IS THAT NOISE?” Salesman: “Oh it’s just the driver seat belt alarm.” “Oh.” Then a few days later, on our way to work, it gave us its first false alarm, and I almost hit the brakes because I thought there was something seriously wrong with the car and I should stop driving it. Nope, it was just misinterpreting the situation.
It’s to the point where I will only drive the car on local trips - if we’re going out of town, I will take the pickup. It’s more expensive to drive, but so much more comfortable, and it doesn’t have blaring alarms screeching at me.
Unfortunately I think practically all cars these days have that shit, so I won’t have any options when my wife finally lets me get rid of the Mazda. In my ideal world, we’d buy a 2016 Honda Accord V6 (the last year they made them with V6 engines) and just keep that running forever. However, I doubt my wife would agree to that plan.
I would REALLY like to see the crash statistics for those cars. Theoretically the frequency and/or severity of crashes should be reduced, right? But road fatalities are up the last few years…which may indicate those safety features aren’t helping, or maybe they’re making people too confident, or maybe they are helping and the situation would be even worse without them. But no one seems to have that info.
One of the main reasons I still like older cars. I consider it harassment when I get ding donged to death for not wearing the seatbelt for a two minute drive down the road, if this shit ever happened to me the car is getting fuckin sold ASAP
