geteilt von: https://lemmy.world/post/8371095
Long post and well worth the read, but the interesting part to me is this:
Windows operating system and apps
Customers using Windows have always used a combination of operating system functionality as well as apps, but now Windows will clearly identify operating system functionality in places like Settings, Start, and Search:
- Settings > System > System Components will show notable operating system components.
- Start menu’s All Apps list has been renamed to All and operating system components are labeled with “system”.
- Under Search, search results will show operating system components labeled with “system”.
All apps in Windows can be uninstalled. Of course, apps can always be installed again from the Microsoft Store and internet. Settings > Apps > Installed apps continue to show all the apps installed on the PC and we’ve added the ability to uninstall:
- Camera
- Cortana
- Web Search from Microsoft Bing, in the EEA
- Microsoft Edge, in the EEA
- Photos
So, they went to the trouble of keeping a different set of functionalities just for Europe instead of unshittifying Windows for everyone. Wow.
So it must be worth a lot of money to force al of that stuff on users right?
Is it that bad now? I don’t use windows products in my private life, only at work. And I don’t find things that bad over there, but maybe that’s because it’s windows for business
How quickly they forget. Canonical added Amazon ads to Ubuntu 10 years ago. They walked it back after huge backlash, but don’t believe that any corporate-backed Linux is immune to “shittifying”.
Because it has never been good enough for the average terminal-averse user to begin with.
You don’t need that in todays world. Otherwise the Steam Deck would have been dead on arrival
I love Linux, but I’ll admit what you say has some credence.
Linux has a lot of polish now. Most big distros are going to have an easy to use GUI installer, and there are several mature very usable desktop environments.
But, for example, if a new user has an nvidia card it’s probably going to be a poor experience for them and they won’t understand why or how to fix it. So there’s shortcomings there. I blame nvidia for this specific issue, but your average user probably doesn’t care about that. They just want their video card to work well.
Hmm… but the registry hooks for those uninstalls must be in there even if the option isn’t surfaced in the UI right?
Maintaining different UI options is one thing, maintaining completely different OS versions is another… and it seems like it would be prohibitively complex and expensive to do that.
Probably all you’d need is for someone with the EU version to export a backup of the relevant parts of their registry, and distribute that so anyone who wants to can have the same uninstall options. The trick would be keeping it that way through Windows updates.
Well, they are no longer allowed to milk victims in the EU thanks to good laws. That does not mean they cannot exploit those who are not protected.
“system components” is a weird way of spelling forced bloatware.
Well… dependencies can still exist, which would justify the “system” marking. For example, different programs’ WebViews depend on Edge nowadays, though maybe it is possible to isolate having that rendering engine without having the full browser program.
Microsoft already has a webview software that deals with that, which afaik already also comes with Windows, and is independent of Edge.
Edge, the browser proper, is in no way a dependency of anything else.
This came about from the Netscape v MSFT browser wars; where MSFT tried to argue that because IE was bolted directly into the OS, it therefore had to come preinstalled without asking & could not be uninstalled. The court ordered them to unbolt it & bundle it as a separate install - just like other browsers.
For example, different programs’ WebViews depend on Edge nowadays
I.e. the programmer could not care less about adherence to standards. Or, in other words: The software is buggy.
I think you might’ve misunderstood what a WebView is.
A WebView is just another UI component/control/widget that windows apps can use, just like how things like buttons, check boxes, text fields, etc are also UI components. The idea is for developers to be able to just use those common components instead of re-programming them every time.
The WebView is used to display html content (not necessarily web pages) inside an app without the developer needing to basically program or embed an entire browser engine in their app just to show something.
Why yes, Microsoft, I do live in Europe, why do you ask?
I’d like to see this on android too. That shit is the worst. I know we can root and remove it or disable it. It should not be there in the first place and it should definitely be removable.
fyi a lot of preinstalled crapware can be uninstalled just by using adb, no need to root
It shouldn’t need to be removable through adb either.
How many regular users do you think would be capable?
The big issue here is that it’s both the carriers and the manufacturers who make money off the crapware that’s preinstalled. Many Android phones are generally cheaper by hardware spec compared to iPhones specifically because someone is making money of the preinstalled crapware.
Don’t kid yourself, phone cost exactly as much as the company selling them can charge. They don’t lower the price because they are making money off the crapware. It only increases their profits.
Android phones are cheaper than iPhones because people are willing to pay more for iPhones.
Your carriers install crapware?
Never seen it happen, but I also don’t buy into the scam that is carrier phones subscriptions.
I am running DivestOS, a degoogled hardened version of Android.
You can remove as many apps as you like, BUT then, you have no access to your banks, to services etc. We are literally talking about modern slavery on Android if you are Google free… Without Google’s Safety net, most banks and subscribtion based applications are not working. You are enforced to have Google on your phone. Or have 2 devices. One for big brother, one for your personal use.
Kinda why I went with a Pixel phone. Just pure stock Android and nothing else.
Idk, most people don’t need half of Googles’ apps either. Can you remove them on a Pixel?
Uninstalling Windows entirely has improved my sanity immensely.
I’m glad to see it improving lately, together with proton, but it’s not ideal yet, for sure.
For people who want to follow the progress of anticheat on Linux: https://areweanticheatyet.com/
You just switched it out with a different devil.
How are those drivers?
Is your audio working?
Drivers? Do you mean the kernel modules that get automatically loaded without a problem on each boot?
My audio works really well. Why wouldn’t it? The ALSA days are long gone and pulseaudio has matured enough to work great, even with Bluetooth.
I even got Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator working, I’m never going back to an OS that breaks its own photo viewer app with an update. Twice.
