173 points

They gonna call Bernard “I got into politics because my extended family literally died in the holocaust” Sanders antisemitic now?

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“While Israel has the right to go after Hamas, Netanyahu’s right-wing extremist government does not have the right to wage almost total warfare against the Palestinian people,” the Vermont senator said in a statement.

Seems like his views on this are pretty much aligned with that of typical israelis.

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And yet that’s the same view that has had people screaming about anti-semitism for the past month.

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Dumb people are going to dumb.

Doesn’t change facts though.

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Aren’t most Israelis calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from the region?

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idk about a majority…There was a massive protest outside Netanyahu’s house.

Israeli’s are bombing their own civilians that are being held hostage right now. They are killing their own as if they are disposable.

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I have to admit that I do not know. Probably not? How they think about it currently might be a bit different from how they thought about it 2 months ago.

My understanding is that they’re pretty displeased with both Hamas and Netanjahu’s government and are mostly blaming both for the current catastrophe.

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Senator Sanders is in lockstep with Biden & rest of Democratic caucus’s view here. There is a big push not to lose the path for a two-state solution and to pause West Bank settlement expansion. Wouldn’t be surprised if President Biden’s friend Bernard consulted with him about this beforehand.

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28 points

It’s almost like it’s a complex problem with no easy solution

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So was South Africa and the Native Americans and the racial relations in the US and countless other situations but we still try to inrpove them.

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No, come on, don’t be like that. We can do this.

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If there is one thing I don’t like about Lemmy (and social media in general) its that a majority of people can’t grasp complex sitstuons or solutions and cling to the thing they dislike without consideration for everything else.

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Most of the “complexity” comes from the fact that Israel directly funded Hamas while sabotaging every attempt for a moderate, secular Palestinian state, with the deliberate intention to create a propaganda-friendly enemy that they can justify war crimes against and eradicate Palestinians under the guise of collateral damage.

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complex problem

It’s amazing how “westerners” always hide behind “complexity” when it comes to the white supremacist colonialism they’ve helped create…

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146 points

This man could have been the president

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Not if the DNC had anything to do about it, and they did.

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After all, they’re part of The Big Club.

(NSFW - language)

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Wrong, what they did with the superdelegates and how they reported the numbers made a lot of people vote Hillary or not at all because the graphs said she was ahead right out of the gate when all they had counted was those superdelegates. Bernie would have beat Trump in the general, there’s no doubt in my mind, but a lot of democrats just couldn’t hold their nose hard enough to vote for Hillary. “Her turn” my ass.

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I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don’t deserve social democracy.

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I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don’t deserve social democracy.

Not with that attitude we don’t.

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that kind of defeatism guarantees that we will never have a morally upstanding president.

You are a part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sanders would not get everything he wants done in a term, but any progress is better than our current puppet presidents

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Nah, tho. Young people didn’t vote in high enough numbers. Depressing. I voted Bernie.

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I didn’t. I was wrong. I’m sorry.

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31 points

At least you own it. That’s progress.

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Several million young prospective voters were prevented from voting by going to college in states that don’t allow out of state resident voting and not being able to vote in their home states on a Tuesday.

Add the fact that colleges are typically critically underserved when it comes to voting infrastructure, leading to a requirement to stand in line for the equivalent of a full-time job working day and it’s clear that it’s not young people being too apathetic.

It’s politicians ratfucking them almost as much as they ratfuck people of color and people of color have much better get out the vote infrastructure to counteract it than colleges do.

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I was young and voted for Bernie

Now I’m old and tired of this shit 😔

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He was nowhere close to even contesting the primary. He got blown out by 3 million votes.

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I didn’t say he was close. My comment is basically a wish, kind of a “what could have been” situation.

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Ah ok. Thought it was another “Bernie got robbed” thing.

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That’s the thing. He wasn’t going to beat Hillary in 2016. Yet, the Party took it in their hands to hurt him, give Hilary questions to debates, etc. It has always been that way. If you aren’t with the Party, you won’t get on their ballot.

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Or perhaps Trump would have been the president if Sanders had been against him. Difficult to tell.

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Highly unlikely.

Sanders was literally the meme about nobody caring about cspan and has a long history of refusing to condemn the particularly brutal communist regimes. And he would have been up against a notorious name caller

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Who are the current brutal communist regimes that Sanders was supposed to condemn that he didn’t condemn?

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As usual, the voice of sanity.

As usual, he’ll be declared unrealistic and unreasonable for it by his own lesser peers and party.

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56 points

Oh, centrists and trumpists are gonna identically hate this.

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Sanders is a centrist

Centre doesn’t mean both sides or in between the right and far right

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No.

He’s left of center. Not anywhere near as far left as neoliberals (who are center right to right wing) and their favourite billionaire owned media outlets pretend or democratic socialist like HE pretends, but still center-left to left wing.

He’s very close to a classic European style social democrat on most issues.

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You’re saying he’s left because he’s left of “insert right wing person” but left/right isn’t competitive

He’s pro-gun, pro-trans, pro-car, anti-globalization

His union supports are left but health care isn’t left or right it’s bought or not bought

Edit: I’m glad you idiots can only say he’s left of the far right

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Centre doesn’t mean in between …

stop

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1 point

Context matters. Try finishing the sentence.

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Its the reality of America 🇺🇸

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8 points

He is literally a democratic socialist.

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50 points

I have a better idea… why doesn’t the US just stop funding murderous fascism everywhere period?

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Because being morally upstanding doesn’t work when every other country is trying to outmaneuver you geopolitically.

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So maintaining global dominance is so important the US just has to enable war crimes and ethnic cleansing? That’s the logic of fascism.

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Oh, poor, poor US… forced to be the most prolific funder and enabler of fascist terrorism in human history because somebody else twisted it’s arm.

Poor, poor US.

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Hey, Russia’s trying its hardest.

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The same standards should be applied to all countries. Otherwise you’re forced into a vicious cycle of an arms race for brutal global domination. This is the purpose of international law and if anything we should be decentralizing and strengthening it.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/20/us-israel-dead-last-in-following-un-charter/

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Because unstable regimes make them and the NRA a lot of profit.

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See also: Russia starting an unprovoked war because of the fears that the evil west will try to geopolitics them.
See also also: fucking bullshit.

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Russia starting an unprovoked war

Soooo… how’s the “Unprovoked Wars Since WW2” awards looking this year? Is Russia still about a hundred wars behind the US or is it starting to catch up?

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because people still live in the countries even if the governments are bad.

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We don’t fund Israel because its people are hungry, we fund them for the military advantage it provides us and this weird thing where half the country thinks that if Jews control Israel, then blue eyed, capitalist Jesus will be able to come and swoop down and carry them away to Heaven before everyone else is smushed by God like grapes in a wine press. It’s a whole thing. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/gaza-war-evangelical-leaders-cheer-end-world-1234884151/

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