Sanders is unfortunately not great on this issue. He’s been opposed to supporting a ceasefire. I find that’s unforgivable given the war crimes Israel is carrying out.
Also if Sander’s really believes that conditioning aid will do anything then he’s being incredibly naive. This is Israel we’re talking about. It’s been the same ethnonationalist project for 75 years. They can not be trusted.
This would be like handing weapons to a known murderer and serial liar but only if they promise not to use them to kill people. Sure Bernie, that will totally be more effective than just not giving them the weapons in the first place.
Do you think there could ever be a deal reached with Republicans on Ukraine aid without Israel being on the table? I seriously doubt it. Sometimes, you have to dance with the devil. Israel has enough money and weapons to exterminate Palestine whether we give them more or not. Ukraine does not.
Not giving Israel funding will not stop the genocide. Giving Ukraine funding will help stop Russia. The only way you’re going to get Republicans to agree to fund Ukraine is to agree to fund Israel. I don’t like it, but that’s just the only way to get it to work.
If you’re at the point where you’re ok with your tax dollars going toward funding and sanctioning indiscriminate genocide in Palestine in order to get around a political issue where the opposite side’s pitch is to let the Russian war and genocide against Ukraine get out of hand if you don’t bless the other genocide…then wtf are we doing? Just trading genocides to score fucking political points. Is that “compromise”? Absolutely fuck that shit. It’s possible to completely stop all funding to Israel until they stop and redirect those resources and funding to Ukraine where they’re actually fighting for their land and country. Our political fulcrum has been fucked in this country.
Of course I’m not okay with it. But it’s that or abandon Ukraine. Should we do that?
I’m ok with my tax dollars going to help Israel defend itself from the government of a neighboring territory that vows to destroy it and conducted a massive terrorist attack killing over 1,000 civilians
I’m even more ok with my tax dollars going toward helping the oppressed people of that territory victimized by both their own government and their neighbor, with meddling by other regional powers, and with other neighbors unwilling to help much. It would be much easier if they didn’t support a terrorist government though
And yes I’m ok with my tax dollars helping a European country defend themselves from a huge neighbor with imperial ambitions
Yeah, my first thought was “why give Israel any aid?”, then I realized that trying to get the US to stop giving aid entity was probably impossible. A compromise like conditional aid is better than unconditional aid. Compromises are unfortunately often necessary in politics, especially with how divided the US is and their historic support for Israel.
The problem here is that there is nobody to actually compromise with. Alongside republicans many if not most democrats also support unconditional military support for Israel.
There’s frankly no reason Bernie can’t take a principled stance against a country that’s committing war crimes with US weapons. He’s usually comfortable advocating for policies he knows won’t pass. As such, I think it’s clear he actually believes in the compromised position to begin with.
If your goal is to exterminate Palestinians then yes a ceasefire is an idiot move. Thankfully most of the world isn’t so bloodthirsty.
Hamas has explicitly said they will never stop. So if they just ignore the ceasefire, what is Israel supposed to do, just let their citizens be killed? Regardless of why hamas is doing it, it’s going to happen.
It’s almost like this is a very complicated situation that literally nobody on this website is capable of even coming close to fixing, but because life only exists as a binary now, anyone who doesn’t think identically to me is evil.
How about just not giving Israel aid, period?
If its capable of launching a genocidal crusade, it must be developed and stable enough to not need our fucking purse strings holding it up.
I can’t tell if you’re insulting the person to whom you replied or signing off on your own comment.
Bernard not doing so hot here in the morals. Even his own staff are condemning him for siding with the oppressors.
Seems like AOC is the only one with a backbone.
This man could have been the president
Nah, tho. Young people didn’t vote in high enough numbers. Depressing. I voted Bernie.
Several million young prospective voters were prevented from voting by going to college in states that don’t allow out of state resident voting and not being able to vote in their home states on a Tuesday.
Add the fact that colleges are typically critically underserved when it comes to voting infrastructure, leading to a requirement to stand in line for the equivalent of a full-time job working day and it’s clear that it’s not young people being too apathetic.
It’s politicians ratfucking them almost as much as they ratfuck people of color and people of color have much better get out the vote infrastructure to counteract it than colleges do.
Wrong, what they did with the superdelegates and how they reported the numbers made a lot of people vote Hillary or not at all because the graphs said she was ahead right out of the gate when all they had counted was those superdelegates. Bernie would have beat Trump in the general, there’s no doubt in my mind, but a lot of democrats just couldn’t hold their nose hard enough to vote for Hillary. “Her turn” my ass.
After all, they’re part of The Big Club.
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I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don’t deserve social democracy.
He was nowhere close to even contesting the primary. He got blown out by 3 million votes.
I didn’t say he was close. My comment is basically a wish, kind of a “what could have been” situation.
Highly unlikely.
Sanders was literally the meme about nobody caring about cspan and has a long history of refusing to condemn the particularly brutal communist regimes. And he would have been up against a notorious name caller
This just proves that Sanders is the biggest antisemite. /s
